Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zack Weiner


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is that he is not notable. If the draft article on his company makes it to mainspace, I have no objection to restoring history for a merge or redirect at that time. Star  Mississippi  16:48, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Zack Weiner

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This individual is only notable as the co-founder of Overtime (sports network), which has been deleted as it was promotional in nature. I see no evidence of independent notability in the references given. If a non-promotional article can be written about the company, a redirect can be created to that article. Slashme (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Slashme (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Slashme (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:54, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. Please explain how being the co-founder of a major digital media company, and the creation of a groundbreaking basketball that has been featured in almost all the major American media outlets, does not make someone notable? Also, the removal of the Overtime Sports page does make sense and will be re-written. It is certainly a notable company. Bankrupt305 (talk) 14:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, the topic of Overtime is notable, but Weiner is not independently notable. We don't need separate articles about Weiner, Overtime, and Overtime Elite. --Slashme (talk) 15:52, 5 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment: the first substantial content of this article was created by an employee of the company. --Slashme (talk) 16:56, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Promotional article, notability is inherited from the company. MrsSnoozyTurtle 23:07, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

I have closely read the wikipedia criteria for new page creation and have spent time with wikipedia help desk and the normal protocol is for the editors to offer suggestions on how to improve this piece instead of just asking for deletion.

"Follow the normal protocol[edit] When you find a passage in an article that is biased, inaccurate, or unsourced the best practice is to improve it if you can rather than deleting salvageable text. For example, if an article appears biased, add balancing material or make the wording more neutral. Include citations for any material you add. If you do not know how to fix a problem, ask for help on the talk page.

To help other editors understand the reasoning behind your edits, always explain your changes in the edit summary. If an edit is too complex to explain in an edit summary, or the change is contentious, add a section to the talk page that explains your rationale. Be prepared to justify your changes to other editors on the talk page. If you are reverted, continue to explain yourself; do not start an edit war."

In this case Zack Weiner more than meets the criteria for notability. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:GNG&redirect=no

There is no puffery in the article. And there isn't inherited notability from the company - he founded the company and a professional basketball league. So I'll ask editors how to improve this page, instead of having it be deleted. Bankrupt305 (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

I vote to Keep the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bankrupt305 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment There is no Overtime (sports network) article. This is a straw man argument.
 * I just became aware that there is a Draft:Overtime (sports network) article which is not in main space. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 14:29, 9 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment Given that you are an employee of Overtime, why did you move this article from the Draft namespace, given that you have a conflict of interest?—Bagumba (talk) 14:34, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Bagumbai’m not sure what you mean. I have declared myself an employee on my page. If I did something I wasn’t supposed to do it wasn’t intentional. Bankrupt305 (talk) 16:41, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Typically, we'd want someone independent to vet out the draft before moving it to mainspace. That would be a better forum to discuss improving the article to possibly meet notability standards.—Bagumba (talk) 16:47, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

My apologies Bagumba. I believe Zack more than meets the criteria. I have tried to follow Wikipedia standards but am learning the process. There are plenty of third party sources from news sources of the highest standards. There is no puffery, etc. and hope that you can approve. Thanks again. Bankrupt305 (talk) 16:49, 9 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete My analysis of the current references finds no usable in-depth sources to establish that the subject (Mr. Weiner) meets the requirements for a stand-alone article in mainspace. Most of the reference articles are about the company, Overtime; not about the co-founder. I don't see a benefit for re-incubating this in draft space—it's been tossed back and forth already. If qualified biographic coverage materializes, an uninvolved Wikipedian (perhaps from WikiProject Sports) can start a fresh draft. —Scottyoak2 (talk) 17:58, 10 January 2022 (UTC)


 * 11 sources

Scottyoak2 (talk)Thank you for your feedback. Here are a few articles that are written primarily about Zack from credible sources and establish him as a leading voice in next generation sports media. I'd agree with you about INHERITED, if he was simply an employee. But he co-founded the company and launched a league of great notoriety.



I hope these help and that you'll reconsider your vote. Bankrupt305 (talk) 19:12, 10 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I have evaluated these additional source suggestions below. I have read and assessed all of the listed potential sources, and also dilegently performed WP:BEFORE. I've attempted to locate one solid source article upon which to build a reasonably-detailed biography of the subject. I have not been successful. The coverage all seems to focus on the company, and the only information about Mr. Weiner that could be summarized from it would amount to a limited résumé. I still think this article should be deleted. Beyond that, I still think the construction of a neutral draft summarizing the history (thus far) of the comapny and/or league would be fruitful. Some of the sources that I've evaluated in this discussion could likely be used to verify details about the founders within that company/league article; because the draft author wouldn't be seeking to establish notability of the founders, given that they wouldn't be the subjects of the draft. —Scottyoak2 (talk) 15:48, 11 January 2022 (UTC)


 * 4 additional sources

Thank you Scottyoak2 (talk). There is an article on Overtime in the draft section if you'd like to evaluate. Best Bankrupt305 (talk) 16:16, 11 January 2022 (UTC)


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