Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zagorcani


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 00:18, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Zagorcani

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There are no reliable sources to confirm that the tribe described in the article really existed. The tags have been added for 3 months and there is still not a single reference to confirm the (rather ostentatious) claims made here. The article appears to be a Hoax. Jingiby (talk) 15:24, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Macedonia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:41, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:42, 21 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. The word seems to be a fairly common last name in Albania, but a search for "Zagorcani -wikipedia byzantine empire" (as claimed in the article) didn't turn up anything but WP mirrors. This file (which is on Drougoubitai, a linked page) doesn't show them. This site does show them, but it's the only one that does.  Ignatz mice•talk 06:11, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete. If any reliable third party shows that the Zagorcani existed, then it's doubtful that the article is an outright hoax.  The site linked to states in their "about" section that the maps are based off of "several references and primary sources".  Still, there don't seem to be a lot of sources on the group, so notability doesn't seem established unless ethnic groups are inherently notable.  If they are inherently notable, though, then I would suggest keep (per WP:Verifiability, since information is so limited and there is no compelling reason to believe that their existence is a fringe theory).   Chri$topher  20:19, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have checked also sources in Russian, Bulgarian and Macedonian sources. No such name of a Slavic tribe was found, neither through Google Books, nor through Google Schoolar, even by simple Google surch. Jingiby (talk) 05:44, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: While the subject of the article appears to be very poorly documented, this would appear to signify a non-notable group rather than an outright hoax if there are verifiable pages describing its existence independent of the article creator (which there appears to be). Many ancient European tribal groups have limited mentions in the literature of the time period, particularly if they didn't significantly impact major empires.  I think that this is a good faith article rather than an outright hoax, but I don't believe that its topic is notable.  Chri$topher  18:57, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: I suggest, it was not a separate tribe, but probably a distinct clan of some from the Slavic tribes in that area. However, I also don't believe that this topic is notable. Jingiby (talk) 08:58, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.