Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zahrad


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The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 00:20, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Zahrad

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Not notable for inclusion to WP. Some sources are dead-end and others lead to not very considerable sources; no major literary review for the poet available. E4024 (talk) 22:09, 19 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep The article is imperfect. But the person is notable. "Zareh Yaldizciyan", Yaldızcıyan + Zahrad etc. Takabeg (talk) 00:24, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - This is what I see when I touch the "books" button: "Lambert M. Surhone, Miriam T. Timpledon, Susan F. Marseken - 2010 - No preview Please note that the content of this book primarily consists of articles available from Wikipedia or other free sources online. Zareh Yaldizciyan (1923-2007), better known by his pen name Zahrad (Armenian: ?), was a Western Armenian poet." Do others see something different? --E4024 (talk) 00:30, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. I see a biography of Zareh Yaldizciyan in a book entitled Ermeni portreleri (Armenian portraits), another in a 1973 magazine named Contemporary literature in translation, and a third by Agop Jack Hacikyan in the introduction of a 1969 book entitled A brief biography of Gigo.  That is, of course, after filtering out all of the Czech gardening books.  Nonetheless, I see no Wikipedia mirrors masquerading as books in the first ten pages of results.  The Princeton Encyclopaedia of Poetry and Poetics, in its "Armenian poetry and poetics" entry, gives the spelling Zareh Yaldzjian.  Then there's a 1978 source entitled New Writing from the Middle East using which one could actually link Agop Jack Hacikyan (and Ralph Setian) to Zareh Yaldizciyan in article prose &hellip;.  Uncle G (talk) 01:39, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Definite Keep. There is no question he is notable. I have added more information and sources and I am planning to have this submitted for DYK. Proudbolsahye (talk) 02:59, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. A simple Google Books search (Armenian + Zahrad) yields about 459 results (with most being Western publications), so he isn't all that obscure. I would argue, however, that a lack of coverage in English language sources is not reason enough to dismiss a foreign language poet or writer as "not notable."  Jackal  03:23, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment.In search engines most pages are duplicates of the others. Written sources are more reliable. If this person is throughly sourced in books, then there is no question of notability. But what does Western Armenian poet mean ? I understand this person was a citizen of Turkey. Since he was a member of the Armenian community, the lede should be Turkish poet of Armenian origin. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 16:02, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * As you may know, the Armenian language consists of two branches, Eastern Armenian and Western Armenian. A Western Armenian poet is one who writes in the Western Armenian branch. This is solely a linguistic connotation, nothing more and nothing less. The "Western Armenian" Wikilink in the article already directs you to the Western Armenian language page.
 * The literary language of a poet is not a part of the introductory sentence.(Please see the examples of three well known names ( Johann Wolfgang Goethe, Jean Racine and Percy Bysshe Shelley) In these articles the words English, French or German refer to nationality and not the literary language. This article will probably be kept but it certianly needs expanding. The literary language data can be moved from the lede to the newly created Literary (or poetic) style section. (By the way please use four tildes in your messages.) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:30, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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