Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zahran tribe (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  08:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Zahran tribe
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This is a recreation of this version of the previously deleted article. It's not a CSD G4, because the two most problematic sections were removed before it was AFDed last time; but as far as I can see it's, therefore, a worse article than the one that was AFDed last time. The useful content was merged to Azd; no purpose is served by resurrecting it, especially since it is still essentially unsourced. Pinkbeast (talk) 09:20, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 09:26, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 09:26, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. SharabSalam (talk) 13:32, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Saudi Arabia-related deletion discussions. SharabSalam (talk) 13:32, 11 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete So many of these Arabian 'tribe' or 'family' articles are empty POV vehicles, wild assertions and most/all unsourced. Oh, and GNG. *sigh* Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:15, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * comment there are enough sources for this article! and I think you are wrong about that Arab tribe articles are not sourced.--SharabSalam (talk) 11:35, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

,,,.--SharabSalam (talk) 11:35, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep there are enough sources about this tribe and its not just a branch of Azd it has gave a lot of branches like Banu Daws tribe. here are just some references to this tribe(note I can provide lots of Arabic sources and non-Arabic sources) ,
 * comment The issue, then, is that these sources need to be integrated into the article and the information they contain included and the unsourced assertions in the article removed. There's no point putting sources here - they belong in the article itself! As it stands I'd still support deleting the article. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:37, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * you are right. these sources should be in the article I was willing to add them and the other sources I got but I wasnt able to because I didnt have much time. please note that this is a pre-Islamic tribe it has many branches like Ghamd Banu Hajr; one of its branches is Banu Daws tribe which Abu Hurairah(a friend of prophet Muhammed) came from. ––SharabSalam (talk) 15:07, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * In that case the best option would be to move it to Draft space until it is actually ready for mainspace, and to go via the normal Articles for Creation process to ensure it is suitable. That would render this deletion discussion moot.
 * NB that while an edit summary said "I will be exetremly improving the article in the next few days and I will be adding many sources", nothing had actually been done for some days until the AFD kicked off a flurry of activity. Pinkbeast (talk) 00:44, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

note that I didn't create this article in the first place and I think it should not have been deleted instead it should have been moved to Draft space. I saw in this page history that there were attempts to delete this article especially from the user (I guess he created his account for that purpose). I actually saw the previous deletion debate which involved him and other editors (who I think weren't familiar with Arab tribes). I was a bit busy (and still until now) after I recreated this article and I didnt get much time for adding sources although I think it's a good thing that I am involved in a new deletion debate--SharabSalam (talk) 14:28, 12 November 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - enough sources exist to meet GNG; article needs improving not deleting Spiderone  22:25, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:14, 18 November 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:18, 26 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.