Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zainuddin Makhdoom II


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The result was keep. We're going to keep this for now – there are probably Arabic sources. If someone can try to improve the article using those sources, that would be great. Feel free to re-nominate in the future if there are concerns and the article isn't able to be improved. Missvain (talk) 16:22, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Zainuddin Makhdoom II

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Non Notable Person, Failed WP:GNG WP:NAUTHOR  Padavalam Kuttan Pilla   Talk  11:46, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep many sources available online. Authordom (talk) 12:04, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * examples please? —usernamekiran(talk) 07:52, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment -- Is he notable as an author? Peterkingiron (talk) 16:27, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes many books, Tuhfat Ul Mujahideen is famous one. Authordom (talk) 08:21, 16 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete The is not a real person lived in Kerala. Speedy delete and close. The Hindu Nation (talk) 10:36, 17 January 2020 (UTC) — The Hindu Nation (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Notability can be discussed here, but existence is not in doubt per the source already in the article. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:53, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as notable author. Zainuddin is transliterated variously. See Zayn ad-Din for variants. Worldcat lists him as Zain al-Dīn, al-Maʻbarī and Malībārī, Zayn al-Dīn ibn ʻAbd al-ʻAzīz,. Tuhfat Ul Mujahideen is cited widely as an important Indian account of the Portuguese invasion of Kerala. See, e.g., Monsoon Islam: Trade and Faith on the Medieval Malabar Coast. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 17:44, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * can we be sure it is the same person? —usernamekiran (talk) 20:11, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The genealogy chart I linked above in Monsoon Islam page 112 (showing his grandfather as Makhdum) and the quote from page 113 n. 48, "He is often referred to locally as 'Makhdum II'." removes all doubt for me. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 22:45, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you for the explanation :) —usernamekiran (talk) 10:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Currently there is an unsupported Keep !vote, and one other participating editor hasn't yet chosen their position, so the discussion remains non-clearly decided

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 13:51, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Sounds as if he is a notable author. The works were no doubt written in Arabic script, so that the variation in transliteration is to be expected.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


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