Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zak Carr


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Killiondude (talk) 05:46, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

I made a bad call here. Re-closing as delete. There was essentially only one user vying for a keep while three others argued for deletion. It is irregular at best to change the decision after this amount of time has passed. I apologize. Killiondude (talk) 22:55, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Zak Carr

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Does not seem to meet notability criteria Kevin McE (talk) 22:52, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  J  947  (c · m)  00:26, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cycling-related deletion discussions.  J  947  (c · m)  00:26, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 02:00, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - His cycling results are just long enough ago to have mostly aged off the internet, but from the (substantial) coverage of his untimely death, it's clear he was notable in his discipline. "Top cyclist" ; "a prolific competition record breaker" ; "champion cyclist" ; "rewrites record books", etc. Υπογράφω (talk) 04:08, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete I don't think this article is timely anymore, and notability is not inherent. Regardless, he certainly does not meet WP:NCYCLING. And, the only sources are two news articles covering his death. Wikipedia is not a newspaper, and most of this article is just a news report. See WP:NOT. — Formal  Dude (talk) 00:36, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. He was a multiple national champion and the BBC article confirms this. His premature death is tragic. His life reads a bit like a Greek tragedy. I would like to see the article kept if possible. But if not, I can understand the counter argument for delete.Knox490 (talk) 03:20, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- does not meet WP:NCYCLING and significant RS coverage not found. Wikipedia is not a memorial. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:39, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - Please review the expanded and more extensively-sourced article. In addition to the web sources I've found, I'm confident there are also print sources from 2002-2005 which will cover his records and death, e.g. Cycling Weeklys 29 October 2005 print edition. Υπογράφω (talk) 06:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The sources are better, but he still does not meet the criteria on WP:NCYCLING. — Formal Dude (talk) 21:53, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * You seem to be arguing that because he does not meet WP:NCYCLING (which strictly speaking and as far as I've been able to determine, is true, albeit by a margin of literally seconds), he is automatically ineligible for inclusion. That's not how WP:NCYCLING or other subject-specific inclusion criteria work. If the article does meet the criteria set forth below, then it is likely that sufficient sources exist to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article -- in other words, if he had won the 2002 national ITT, then I could convincingly argue that sources were likely to exist without necessarily producing them. However, failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways. This is what the sources in the article achieve, showing that a) he received significant coverage for his cycling achievements in both sport-specific and general media even prior to his death, b) his death was covered not merely as a routine traffic fatality but as the death of a notable athlete, and c) the available web sources indicate that there's likely additional coverage available in print archives. In short, it doesn't matter if he doesn't meet WP:NCYCLING because the sources show that he meets WP:GNG. Υπογράφω (talk) 02:04, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I really don't think that this does meet GNG. Local newspaper items are not generally considered sufficient, the reports on his death are featured as a case of driver asleep at the wheel rather than victim-centered, and if even the very small circulation national special interest publication only gives 3 lines to the national record, we are talking very niche.  The lack of any real biographical info suggests that the press may have considered his results worth reporting, but not himself highly noteworthy. But Wikipedia is not a repository of specialist event results in national level events in minority sports. Kevin McE (talk) 11:42, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think it proves your points at all, the sources do not prove he was covered for his cycling achievements by general media. They are not from independent websites. The ones from independent websites all only cover his death. — Formal Dude (talk) 22:45, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


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