Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zak Elbouzedi (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep per WP:SNOW. Obviously passes WP:NFOOTY. (non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:47, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Zak Elbouzedi
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Non-notable footballer. Recreation of the article that was deleted 2 months ago. Dial911 (talk) 04:25, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
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 * Comment I note since the previous deletion discussion, he has played a couple of games for Inverness Caledonian Thistle in the Scottish Championship which is listed as a professional league. So is the club a professional club, because if so according to soccerway he has now played for them since. NZFC  (talk) 06:07, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, as he has now played in Championship (second tier) games. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 10:58, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 12:42, 14 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep There are no citations or external links, but he clearly passes WP:NFOOTBALL according to this, . Govvy (talk) 12:51, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes NFOOTY, has played senior international football, in a fully professional league or in a match in the competition proper (i.e. not qualifying rounds) of a cup competition which involved two teams both from FPLs. Fenix down (talk) 12:57, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - made his professional debut on 13 March (ie prior to this nomination) - respectful reminder of WP:BEFORE. GiantSnowman 13:15, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - Just want to add another comment but can be discussed after this AFD instead if not appropriate. I can't find anywhere that the play is known as Zak, I have found a Zach on the Rep of Ireland page but I feel a name change for the page to Zachary Elbouzedi is called for. NZFC  (talk) 07:49, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Played for ICT in a FPL so meets WP:NFOOTY. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:03, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Can we consider either delaying AfD or draftifying articles about soccer players who have recently signed with fully professional league teams? This article could have been kept the first time. It reminds me of the Kyle Duncan (soccer) AfD: closed eight days before Duncan played MLS; draftified (almost deleted as there were only two who !voted to draftify against five "deletes"); a week later someone created a duplicate article (instead of moving the draft); the two articles were merged. Now this article was deleted, a few weeks later is a clear keep. Can't we just have a bit of patience with marginal articles, and thus save time for more productive work? See WP:BUILDWP. Jack N. Stock (talk) 16:45, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Problem is that lots of people sign for fully professional teams, but then don't play for them. So we'd just be leaving all of them to rot in draftspace. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:24, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Plus this is a mainspace article. We simply don't create articles in anticipation of notability. Given the already accepted low level of notability required for NFOOTY, people certainly shouldn't be creating mainspace articles on players who don't obviously satisfy GNG when they fail footy and to be honest probably shouldn't be creating draft articles either. Fenix down (talk) 18:12, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe you're right, generally speaking. In this case, Elbouzedi missed the early part of the season due to a pre-season injury. When the previous version was deleted, he was already working his way back from injury by playing in Scottish League Two, and he made his debut in Scottish Championship just four weeks later. A BBC report cited in the original article quoted the team manager stating that he would compete for the team when he was healthy. Nobody commented on this in the original AfD (including me), and this seems to have been a decisive oversight. There isn't a shortage of draftspace as far as I know, so someone could have cited WP:COMMONSENSE. Jack N. Stock (talk) 18:35, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


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