Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zander Murray


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Consensus that enough significant coverage exists to pass GNG guideline. — Cactus Writer (talk) 17:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Zander Murray

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Fails GNG. Sources in the article are routine transfer coverage/match reports. The Herald has no sigcov. Also there is WP:BLP1E because he wasn't getting any sigcov before coming out either. Dougal18 (talk) 12:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Sexuality and gender, Football,  and Scotland.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 18:02, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Homosexuality in association football where he is mentioned and which ultimately is his sole claim to fame. GiantSnowman 18:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - on further reflection, sources from Herald and The Times are probably sufficient. GiantSnowman 15:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep, He is still considered to be a signifciant trailblazer, even written as a piossiblity for 2022 Scot of the Year (see - "no-one, however, has made a more significant impact on our game than Zander Murray") and 2024 Scottish Influencer of the Year and subject of BBC docuumnatary and has received seondary coverage over a few years from many reputed sources over the years - , , , , . Football-wise, he was a veryu sigifnciant player for a Scottisjh lower legaue team - Gala Fairydean Rovers (see , , and ), where he "has scored 100+ goals and holds the club record for number of goals scored in one season". Put together, I think all of the above warrants him an article. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment The "awards" (which he didn't win) are meaningless nonsense. He presented that BBC documentary meaning it isn't independent of him. I note your latest thing is to toss around "has secondary coverage" when it is significant coverage that is required. NFOOTBALL (which he wouldn't have passed anyway) has been abolished. Dougal18 (talk) 10:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * "Meaningless nonsense" is pretty dismissive and coverage that is significant in my and GiantSnowman's opinion has been found above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 10:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You are making two non notable awards sound like an Oscar or Nobel Prize. --Dougal18 (talk) 13:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep I know he's an amateur footballer but an argument can be made that there is consistent in-depth coverage. I know in an ideal world sexual orientation shouldn't mean anything but the fact is that open male homosexuality is rare in football (for the same reason, British Asian footballers may receive far more in-depth coverage than their talent would deserve if they were white). He came out in September 2022 and a documentary was made in March 2023, and we have in-depth coverage of him in December 2023 on the BBC Herald  STV . Far from a WP:BLP1E where all the coverage is about coming out in 2022 and then the news dries up. Similarly, I had written about Jesús Tomillero, a referee in amateur football who probably wouldn't have a page, but due to the rarity of his being gay, he had several years of in-depth coverage. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * He's only getting this coverage based on WP:BLP1E. Dougal18 (talk) 13:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. Perhaps it's marginal but I think anyone interested in Homosexuality in association football might well wonder what kind of playing career Murray had and, per the above, there is consistent coverage. Ben   Mac  Dui  14:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


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