Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zane Birdwell (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. The SandDoctor Talk 03:25, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Zane Birdwell
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The subject does not appear to meet Wikipedia's general notability guidelines, and only barely meets one of the criteria for musicians.

A previous AFD discussion in 2010 ended with a Keep consensus, on the basis that the subject "has won or been nominated for a major music award" (WP:MUSICBIO). The subject did contribute as an engineer to an audiobook which won a Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album and can therefore be said to have "won a Grammy" alongside Michael J. Fox and two other producers who worked on the audiobook.

I believe the previous discussion over-represented the notability of this award. Genre-specific Grammys (especially non-music genres), while prestigious, are nowhere near as "major" as general awards. Moreover, the subject was not the sole or primary recipient of this Grammy, as they did not originate the work, and they were not singled out for their exceptional work as an audio engineer. This credit is not enough to stand as the subject's sole notability-establishing accomplishment (see WP:BLP1E), and I think the article should be reconsidered for deletion. RoxySaunders (talk) 03:29, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 05:34, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 05:34, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 12:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - The nominator makes reasonable points about a collaborative Grammy award, but a win is still a win and there is no doubt that Birdwell has a major award per the requirements at WP:NMUSICIAN. The article needs to be cleaned up however. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 16:03, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:38, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Doomsdayer520. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 10:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - technically meets WP:CREATIVE. Bearian (talk) 22:33, 25 January 2021 (UTC)


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