Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zanis Tamsons

Zanis Tamsons
Another obscure Latvian from Robert D. Morritt's collection. Still looking for others in the maze (this is not obvious, their initiator is not very good at making internal links). --French Tourist 15:43, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Not notable: let's give them the delete stamp for their collection. Geogre 18:56, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * - Re: Geogre (who cannot even spell his name as George) leave the Latvians alone until you are considered noteable)(R.Morritt) [part of 209.239.9's third edit of the debate, at 01:11, 2004 Oct 20; relocated in WP style to its logical location, by Jerzy(t) 18:29, 2004 Oct 22 (UTC)]
 * Delete. *sigh* Nadavspi 00:30, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * - Re: Nadavaspi not surprised he wants to PASS on this will NOT elaborate(figure it out) (R.Morritt)  [part of 209.239.9's third edit, at 01:11, 2004 Oct 20; relocated in WP style to its logical location, by Jerzy(t) 18:29, 2004 Oct 22 (UTC)]
 * Information - This page was vandalized 19 Oct evening by 209.239.1.129 - see how the debate was rewritten by him at  --French Tourist 23:06, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * FT's link is the version after 209.239.9's first two edits of the debate, but it doesn't show what was changed to what. Note that, whether naive or not, the "vandalism" removed personal attacks by 198.96.180, and forged the wording above each WP-standard sig to make a favorable or less critical comment on 198.96.180 (more precisely, on the author; it is 198.96.180's claim that he is that author). --Jerzy(t) 18:29, 2004 Oct 22 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. --Improv 21:26, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * [Comment:] The reason these Latvians are noteable is there were very few (scarcer than Hen,s Teeth)Latvians that flew in WW2. These guys are directly related to the Liepaja-Grobina training area,very obscure information only recently outlined by one who was there(Alex Vanags-Baginskis)
 * Request re-instament of these poor so called ùnnotable`Latvians..."Sighs"
 * [Regarding the word 'Sighs' and its double quotes, see the last bracketed note under this bulleted point.]
 * Robert Morritt
 * [This bulleted point, including the portion just below, is 198.96.180's edit of 15:31, 2004 Oct 19, as restored by FT after covert rewriting by 209.239.9, and after reformatting & relocation by Jerzy(t) 18:29, 2004 Oct 22 (UTC).]
 * (not a Latvian)
 * [The history of the single line
 * (not a Latvian)
 * and the double-quoted word
 * "Sighs"
 * is the same as that (already stated) of the rest of this bullet point, except that after FT's restoration, they were redeleted as part of 209.239.9's third edit (see the additions of that edit, each labeled "Robert Morritt", 2 of them above and one below), at 01:11, 2004 Oct 20; and restored by Jerzy(t) 18:29, 2004 Oct 22 (UTC).]


 * C'mon re-instate the poor Latvian Pilots GEE!!!!!(R.Morritt)
 * [Part of 209.239.9's third edit.]
 * O.K. Enough is enough!! Either Delete the page or don't. This was my FIRST EXPERIENCE of contributing to Wikipedia (Wicca??) certainly it is more than frustrating as you already all know.
 * I guess I just wasted my time trying to contribute!! My feeling is you have too many  like-minded pessismistic souls editing your pages, I feel some may 'delight' in deleting people,the kind of personality that as a child would pull wings off Butterflies.
 * (Maybe that is a bit strong, but I suspect I am close to the truth here)
 * I like French Tourist least he is a gentleman!!!!
 * Sincerely...R.M.


 * [198.96.180.245 at 17:36, 2004 Oct 20. Probably chronological, but need to recheck later.]]

Proposal
How about we talk to Robert Morritt about making a single article about this Lativan air unit, and perhaps listing the people who served? Its probably quite encyclopedic as a whole. &mdash; siro &chi;  o  10:09, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Provided we don't see pages for each person, and don't see pages for each air unit in the whole war, I think it'd be a good thing to see something about this air unit.--Improv 15:43, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * POSTSCRIPT....
 * Thankyou for your suggestions I have abandoned the individual pages on the Latvian Airman and combined them into one page as LUFTWAFFEN LEGION-ESTLAND.I appreciate the kindness and ideas put forward by both Pgunn and Siroxo. This hopefully solves this problem.It as you can see was my baptism into the world of Wikipedia and being a novice do apologize for any inconvenience to you all.I took off the hyperlinks within the text on the Airmen so now it should tudy it all up.
 * Once again thanks for the positive suggestions.
 * Robert Morritt
 * Thank you Pgunn & Siroxo and Improv.
 * If I am allowed..would you suggest I group them the 'Airmen' together as say Latvian Airmen or Liepeja_Grobiana Latvian Air Training Group??
 * I personally appreciate your suggestion.
 * Robert Morritt
 * [Version of 209.239.9 at 00:03, 2004 Oct 22, as reformated and relocated by Jerzy(t) 18:29, 2004 Oct 22 (UTC).]


 * RM may be reflecting, in labeling his comments as a postscript, a supposition that he has achieved agreement that his propsed combined article will not be deleted. I doubt that is what those he thanks intend, and they may in any case be less accommodating when they consider the evidence that the author is also the forger who executed what FT described as "vandalism".  I for one am at a loss for a plausible account that doesn't imply you are a liar and a cheat, and you should expect close scrutiny of your work: even tho it is the text and not the author that is judged on VfD, the verifiability of the content will not, at least in my case, receive the usual presumption of the author's good intention. --Jerzy(t) 18:29, 2004 Oct 22 (UTC)