Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zanpakutō


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Consensus, at least to the extent the contributions are based on applicable policies and guidelines, agrees with the nominator and Sephiroth BCR. A merger has also been proposed, but it remains completely unclear what could be merged where and why, so this is not really an actionable option. If consensus is established later on an appropriate talk page as to which material should be merged where (to the extent it is sourced!), a history restoration is not out of the question.  Sandstein  06:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Zanpakutō

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Fails WP:N, WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, and WP:FICT. The topic of the "fictional type of magic sword" known as Zanpakutō from the Bleach series has not "received significant real-world coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 15:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions.  -- --  Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 15:07, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep - the nominator is simply wrong. The Zanpakutō is a fairly recent invention so you wouldn't expect it to appear in books and such, and I don't read anime/manga-related magazines to know for sure that it appeared there (although I'm sure it has). However, various Zanpakutō are subjects of merchandising and cosplaying. Replicas and even related *keychains are sold on various sites and in stores, not necessary manga-related. Moreover, the Zanpakutō is central to the Bleach franchise, and everything in the article is notable, starting with the description and ending with the list. Therefore, being such a large article, it cannot be merged with Bleach (manga) or a similar article per WP:SIZE. To that end, it is similar to the article List of Middle-earth weapons and armour. According to WP:SPLIT and WP:SIZE: If an article becomes too large or a section of an article has a length that is out of proportion to the rest of the article it is recommended that a split is carried out.. I think it doesn't get any more clear than this. No reason at all to delete the article. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 17:53, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Totally invalid speedy keep reason, and no, I am not wrong. Merchandise for the series does not make the Zanpakutō a notable aspect, nor is it a valid claim of size as the information is excessive and never would have been allowed in the main article at such a length per WP:PLOT and per WP:WAF. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 18:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - wholesale. Past the WP:NOT, WP:NOTE issues, it's a list of weapons when we already have entries for every character on this. The concept of a zanpakutō can be explained in the List of Soul Reapers in Bleach article. Rest is excessive. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 18:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Sephiroth's well-reasoned commentsBFG1701 (talk) 20:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per comments from Sephiroth.Tintor2 (talk) 19:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge where relevant - Zanpakuto is certainly worth covering, but it does not need an article of its own. Doceirias (talk) 20:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge the list, delete everything else. Also, make a list of Bakkoto and put it with their corresponding character sections. There are a few people that have their Zpkto's listed here and aren't on the list of characters; they should be put back there also.  Stardust Dragon  21:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete nothing significant here. Nominator has a good point, but probably transwikify to Bleach wiki if not already done. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't delete per se, but merge to appropriate page as outlined by User:Sephiroth BCR. This is what should have been done in the first place, and if there had at least been a merge proposal template on the page for a couple months, then delete would have been my vote.  Per WP:ATD, keep in order to merge.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sasuke9031 (talk • contribs) 07:14, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete but the article is convoluted. A merger might be possible, however I don't see where.  The list of Zanpakuto does need to go.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adroa (talk • contribs) 12:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete I've double-checked, and this article still contais information that is not treated in main articles. I think that it should be merged with a section containing list of all habilities, powers, and weapons (like Zanpakuto). I don't know if such article exists, but i think that this article should not be deleted until all information is passed to these articles. Raupi (talk) 12:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No need. Just merge each individual weapon with their corresponding character, bring back Jirobo and the others that got the boot, and do the same for notable Bakkoto.  Stardust Dragon  17:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge Since each zanpakuto is associated with one and only one character, the list can be merged easily into the List of Soul Reapers and List of Hollows articles, while the remainder of the article can be trimmed a bit and merged cleanly into Soul Reaper (Bleach). There isn't really any good reason to have a seperate article for these anyway, they're essentially just character abilities. 65.33.206.108 (talk) 19:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Except for Tosen, but that friend of his is dead so there's no risk.  Stardust Dragon  20:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge without loss of content. DGG (talk) 02:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ME - Merge at least, this article does not deserve deletion because some ignorant fool does not like/watch bleach. Its only starting to become popular in the west (the 1st movie has only just been released in america (June 2008) when it was out in japan a good 2 years ago! ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.195.147 (talk) 21:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * None of that shit matters. It fits deletion criteria. It is not a "capitalist plot" to remove Bleach articles cause people don't like it. It is keeping with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Also, Bleach is in the fourth season in America, that's far from "just having been released."  Stardust Dragon  20:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Its also plain wrng. I enjoy Bleach, despite its excessive length. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 23:35, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't delete- This page is great for quick navigation and reference
 * Speedy Delete per above. You said it Dad (talk) 05:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What I see above is no reason for a speedy. What I see is reason to ride it out.  Based on the current situation, I can't really say how this will turn out, but speedy is way over the top.  My advice, strike the word speedy (not the word delete though, as there are some very good points above on the delete side as well as the keep/merge) and enjoy your time editing. Sasuke9031 (talk) 05:51, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - given the length and quality of the article, I would recommend at least transferring the content to a more suitable wiki. A Google search yields 181,000 results for Zanpakutō. Also, several comments in this AfD are ATA. —  C M B J   03:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Edit - I am not very familiar with the subject at hand, but WP:WIAFA §1.b may also be a factor to consider here, depending on how this article affects the quality of the main article Bleach. But this still doesn't necessarily negate the fact that the article has no independent sources. —  C M B J   04:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Quite right, an M/T would work in this instance. Perhaps the Bleach Wiki would benefit from this content? Sasuke9031 (talk) 03:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, the WP:WIAFA doesn't really help because this is a completely separate article from the generic Bleach article, and therefore, all that would really affect it is if someone merged it there. Sasuke9031 (talk) 05:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge big old list is most of the page, and what remains can be smaller. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 07:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - lack of significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. PhilKnight (talk) 00:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge with List of Shinigami (or Soul Reapers) if info is not there already.--Boffob (talk) 06:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.