Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zebediah Dingle


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The result was   Delete. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 14:42, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Zebediah Dingle

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Speedy deletion was declined. I can find no record on the net that this character existed. The only reference on Wikipedia to this character was added by the same user who created this article. That user has created a hoax article, Sean Glover, that was speedily deleted on my nomination. While I am not familiar with the series, I believe this is a hoax as well. The information in the article is dubious: two actors are listed as playing the character, but both link back to this article. Michitaro (talk) 19:22, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I deleted the other article as a hoax, but there are a few things like this out there, that while miles of being reliable sources, do show that this isn't a hoax. It's obvious though that WP:GNG cannot be met. I've transwikied the content to wikia so that it isn't lost. SmartSE (talk) 19:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding that. Nothing I looked at, including IMDb, lists the character as being played by an actor. My impression is that at best the diagram you found refers to the fictional universe of the show, but that the character itself has never physically appeared on the show. It thus might be a hoax in that sense. The article itself has many of the same qualities as the Sean Glover hoax article, such as creating the impression of having wikilinked content by having the link just go back to the article itself. IMDb has no record of an actor named George Keegan active on British TV--and no record whatsoever of an actor named George Dingle. Both omissions would be unlikely for an actor appearing as a regular for many years on a popular show. Michitaro (talk) 19:56, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 20:59, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
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 * Comment for now. I've found this "From the pieces I can gather from various sources, Zebediah is the youngest brother of Zak and is head of "The Southampton Dingles" and has a son called Job. The family also include a Bob and Mantha." on http://www.emmerdale.org/emmerdale/dingles/dingprofiles.htm#zeb where there is no mention of Lilith and Delilah, or Luke. No actor is listed, whereas certain others are named. The page also lists characters as 'mentioned in passing in 1995', and that certain characters appeared on screen but didn't speak because they were extras. Obviously a fan site, but I would think fairly reliable. Partly down until June, but possibly accessible via Google (the way I went in). There is a contradiction in the article: "he married his childhood sweetheart Colleen Gascoigne. The couple moved to West Kensington, where Colleen grew up." Beckindale is a long way from West Kensington. Another possible contradiction is that 'Colleen Gascoigne' has two brothers who apparently have the surname Adamson, to judge by the rather strange wikilinks they both have. Peridon (talk) 19:11, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I eventually found the page you found as well. So it does seem that in the universe of the series, this character exists, but even that page does not list an actor playing it. I'm not quite sure what to do with this page. It has some information that fits the story universe, but also a lot that does not or is contradictory (as Peridon points out). I don't know the series well enough to say. Then the claims about actors playing this character all seem basically untrue (again, it was created by a user who has created hoax pages). We could trim the article down to the basics, but the question remains whether this is a notable enough character to pass WP:GNG. I think it stinks enough that it would be best to just delete it and have someone more reliable start it again with real RS. Michitaro (talk) 19:32, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * A hoax can be about a real subject (or, in this case, a real fictional subject...). It appears from their Wikipedia articles that Delilah and Lilith exist, but no father is given for them (not until the author of this article added them). However, in the Dingle Family article, they are listed as a family group with Colleen. I think I'm going to take up theology - it's simpler. Peridon (talk) 19:54, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I was fooled into thinking there were two actors - they are producers, I think. Steve Frost (now called Steve November after he got married) is the current executive producer. In the Glover article, there was a blatant use of an irrelevant picture - really of Joseph Fiennes. Pity we don't have a pic of George Dingle. When a suspect article has a pic, always look at the info for it. Can tell you a lot. Peridon (talk) 20:01, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Definitely no Zebediah or George Dingle at IMDb. No Colleen except for Colleen King, a different person altogether and, unusually, not a Dingle or married to one. (I counted 36 at IMDb.) Peridon (talk) 20:16, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think theology will solve this. Apparently another user (or the same one, but without logging in) (User:92.3.228.56) went through some of the other Emmerdale pages and added Zebediah. The problem with the actors is that the page lists two of them, George Dingle (in the infobox) and George Keegan (in the text). How one fictional character can be played by two actors is either an issue of avant-garde art or of quantum physics. And then IMDb lists neither actor. Michitaro (talk) 20:19, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Dr Who and James Bond manage quite well... I think the Dingle in the infobox might be a mistake. Peridon (talk) 20:29, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, those were consecutively, whereas this is at the same time. The infobox might be a mistake, or it might just be another bit of evidence of a sloppily written hoax. Michitaro (talk) 22:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete as hoax. This character may exist in the fictional Emmerdale universe, in the sense of having been mentioned; but there is no reliable source even for that, still less that he ever actually appeared, and so he falls far short of the notability required to have an article, even if there were reliable sources on which to base one. The details in the article are certainly false: it is inconceivable that if the character had been a full-time regular for years there would be no mention of him in IMDb and so little on the internet generally (compare the results of a Findsources search for him and for any of the real characters); and while IMDb has two George Keegans, neither of their CVs mentions Emmerdale. The article author's only other contribution was an undoubted, deliberate hoax, complete with falsified illustration. JohnCD (talk) 12:11, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - even if true, this very minor character just isn't notable. Bazonka (talk) 07:53, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete John has confirmed my suspicions - as has the absence here so far of the author of the article. Peridon (talk) 21:17, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
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