Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zebra & Giraffe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. and kudos to skomorokh for helping to clean it up (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Zebra & Giraffe
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I speedy deleted this as not asserting notability. I had done a google (and google news) search prior to deletion, but apparently, I missed a slew of potentially reliable sources that I have now added to the restored article. I'm not convinced yet of the quality of the "reviews" and independent sourcing. Also, the article is written in a very "non-encyclopedic" tone. Not a reason for deletion, hence the restore from my speedy deletion earlier. This needs independent eyes to determine if this music group from South Africa is in fact notable. (and any cleanup that anyone is willing to do is of course much appreciated :-) Keeper  &#448;  76  20:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keel dee zeeba. The sources aren't very substantial, so I feel that this, whatever this is, isn't notable. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC) Withdrawing my !vote for now until more sources turn up, if any do.  Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

The page created about the South African band, Zebra & Giraffe, has been restored. It is a very good article about the band that is currently very big in South Africa and the article explained exactly everything about how the band came to life, who they are, their current status, music videos, how they are doing on the charts, etc. etc.

The article was written after an interview with their frontman, Greg Carlin, who also started the band, and everything in it is factual and also has his approval.

Zebra and Giraffe is taking the music industry by storm with their debut album, Collected Memories, and has had a lot of independant reviews and articles written about them. See the article itself for more information on this band and it will be clear that this is not an article just to get them noticed, it is simply informative, seeing as they are already considered as one of the best bands in South African music. --Rachelle crous (talk) 21:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It reads like a big PR piece, making all sorts of WP:PEACOCKy terms. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I really am neutral on this band, but "peacock" language is definitely a problem that can be cleaned up. Doesn't necessarily mean delete, just cleaned up.   Keeper  &#448;  76  21:30, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Very Weak Keep it needs to be trimmed for fluff as TPH and Keeper have said above. That said there's some RS coverage. While this isn't a reliable source, it lends credence to some of the claims and there may be a way to verify them. If so, they're probably notable. TravellingCari  21:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep I found this article from iAfrica.com, which is an influential news site for the continent: . Also, this act is signed to a major South African label, it already has a hit song on the South African charts, and it is touring the country.  Please be aware that a great deal of South Africa's media sources are not linked to Google, so trying to research any subject related to that country can be difficult.  You have to go directly to the main news sources, and in many cases you have to pay to access older articles.  Also, it should be stressed this article -- although very handsomely produced and well-written -- needs to be massaged into a format that is more acceptable for Wikipedia purposes.  That would call for editing, not erasure. Ecoleetage (talk) 22:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

People, Z&G is one of the best and biggest bands in our country at the moment!! I think this is a fantastic article because it gives you all the information u'll ever need or wondered about!! Please don't delete it!! I agree that Greg Carlin is a musical genius and why would you wonder about verification if there are so many external links that clearly shows what this band is made of and the article was written after an interview WITH GREG CARLIN HIMSELF - what more do you want?? DON'T DELETE IT!!--Workspots (talk) 22:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * — Workspots (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Neutral A public relations puff-piece, which does neither the subject nor the article any service. As noted above, desperately needs rewriting. JNW (talk) 22:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NMG, but complete rewrite needed to comply with WP:NPOV and WP:MOS. Stifle (talk) 18:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets the sniff test. Probably meets WP:NM criteria 1, 2, 4, 5, and 11. The apparent lack of RS's to affirm this is, I suspect, a reflection of our systemic bias in according overwhelmingly undue attention to online searches to verify coverage. I imagine editors in Johannesburg could find a great deal of significant print and radio coverage of this act. In the meantime, the Iafrica.com article means the subject meets the WP:GNG (Iafrica.com is owned by Primedia, has editorial oversight and appears to employ professional journalists). I have cleared up a lot of the WP:PROBLEMS associated with the article and think the encyclopedia benefits from its inclusion. the skomorokh  16:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.