Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zef Kol Ndoka


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The result was keep. The article's subject is found to be notable. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 04:17, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Zef Kol Ndoka

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The subject is far below notability threshold: According to a nationalist source ([]) (the only source that confirms his existence) he was one of various irregular soldiers that raised his national flag in Skopje. Complete lack of wp:RS material & obviously not a leading guerilla figure.Alexikoua (talk) 18:10, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: The personage is one of the leaders of the Albanian Revolt of 1912, a co-fighter of Bajram Curri and Mehmet Shpendi, and a respected figure in Mirdita. The "nationalistic" source is titled KUSH E NGRITI I PARI FLAMURIN SHQIPTAR NË SHKUP MË 1912 ? (Who raised the Albanin flag in Skopje in 1912) and as far as this article is concerned is pretty reliable. The other source that the nominator ignores is a didactic history book of 1968, with confirmed Albanian historians as authors (between others Alex Buda), and printed in Pristina, Socialist Autonomous Province of Kosovo by Yugoslav authorities. OCLC 1906502. --Mondiad (talk) 03:08, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. Ndoka is attested in the scholarship though as Zefi i Vogël. I added two sources for the time being that are wp:reliable and wp:secondary. For example Skendi notes that Ndoka was one of the leaders who were part of the 1912 revolt that also captured Skopje. That event was significant for the Albanian movement at the time and their demands for autonomy and rights from the Ottomans. Ndoka's role in being part of that and leading it warrants this article remaining. I do admit this article needs work and any unreliable sources used in this article should be removed. However there are sources attesting to the existence of the person and pivitol role Ndoka played regarding the Albanian national movement at that point in time. There are similar articles such as this on Greek fighters (i.e Evangelos Natsis, Konstantinos Mazarakis-Ainian, Pavlos Melas, Alexandros Othonaios, Michael Sionidis, Georgios Tsontos etc) who also have problem issues with their sources (or barely if any), though they exist and there is no deletion discussion about those articles. The additions of sources i made to this article should remedy the matter somewhat. Article should stay and hopefully inn future expanded by editors.Resnjari (talk) 04:22, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment I lack the language skills to make a call either way regarding significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject per WP:GNG, but it does appear that Zefi i Vogël (which I assume is an alternative name) has a couple of mentions in a Google Books search (here), so perhaps, given what other editors have said, it deserves the benefit of the doubt. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:02, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  16:33, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as the current sourcing seems enough and familiar attention will benefit. SwisterTwister   talk  19:33, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

There are plenty of sources to this. Conclusion??--Albanian Historian (talk) 11:04, 2 February 2016 (UTC)


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