Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zend Certified Engineer


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The result was   merge to Zend Technologies. –MuZemike 21:58, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Zend Certified Engineer

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Non-notable certification program. there are GHits, but coverage does not seem to go beyond blogs, forums and the like. Tikiwont (talk) 16:46, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep, Actually, if you look on Gnews and Gbooks, you'll find an abundance of reliable sources on the certification. I've taken the liberty of adding in a few of them to the article, which I believe clearly shows notability. Silver  seren C 17:23, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, I may ahve seen some of those you added as well as an exam preparation book, but mostly they are refactored press releases, starting with "Zend announced" and the like, which hardly count as independent reliable sources. As far as I see only the linux article with three interviews might count, so I don't see an abundance of independent coverage.--Tikiwont (talk) 08:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,   Wifione    .......  Leave a message  18:40, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep There are many published works that discuss the Zend Certified Engineer certification. I've added another citation to the article from a book I have that is published by O'Reilly Media and counts as an independent reliable source.  There is no basis for listing this article for deletion. Ofus (talk) 15:56, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Merge into Zend Technologies. I see no evidence that the certification is significant enough for its own article. Aside from press releases there is one article in LinuxWorld, plus a book I can't check. Strip away information about the exam (which dates too easily and shouldn't be in Wikipedia whether or not we keep) and the article is easy small enough to be relegated to a subsection in Zend Technologies. Adpete (talk) 05:23, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "Plus a book I can't check". So, your inability to check it means that it is unreliable? I am seeing, at minimum, with the book and the LinuxWorld article, multiple reliable secondary sources covering the subject in a nontrivial fashion. Silver  seren C 05:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * In any case the book's here http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=THI24xC5CUwC&oi=fnd&pg=PR9&dq=%22Zend+Certified+Engineer%22&ots=e5NqaST044&sig=iPaarQPTWIszpMsajusfwOn9pnY#v=onepage&q=%22Zend%20Certified%20Engineer%22&f=false and it's a one sentence comment. Aside from the Linuxworld article, the news and scholar references pretty well all look like primary sources or authors' resumes. In short, nothing very interesting to say about it, which is why it should be a subsection of Zend. Adpete (talk) 05:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


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 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cirt (talk) 02:06, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge into new section of Zend Technologies per above; no evidence that this is a particularly notable certification. PleaseStand (talk) 00:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Merge and redirect to Zend Technologies, not very notable as certifications go, which isn't far in the first place. --Nuujinn (talk) 00:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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