Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zero1 Australian National Championship


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The result was   delete. Secret account 01:49, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Zero1 Australian National Championship

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Completing nomination for 101.173.170.151, rationale is as follows: ''Contested PROD. This title is not notable and has no independent reliable sources to prove it. Notability is not inherited from the core Zero1 promotion.'' I have no opinion. Hut 8.5 11:02, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 13:26, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 13:27, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:15, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:02, 25 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep - the IP's nomination statement makes no sense. We're talking about a national-level professional wrestling series here, which is clearly enough for notability. WP:NOTINHERITED is utterly irrelevant; and, besides, the National Wrestling Alliance ran the series originally, and that would also make it a notable one. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 09:52, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete The IP's nomination makes perfect sense. There is no evidence (except in the name of it) that the title is a national level title, and the name is not enough. Therefore is relies on the notability of Zero1 itself, which is very much about WP:NOTINHERITED. Ditto the NWA. Where is the evidence that this title is notable by itself? Nowhere that I can see so it fails WP:GNG. 58.164.105.136 (talk) 14:03, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Based on that statement, I have no doubts whatsoever that you're the same user as the original IP. Exactly the same misinterpretation of guidelines and policies. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 14:06, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * A very paranoid assumption may I say. Do show how the title is notable by itself in Australia without relying on the core promotion. If you can't then WP:NOTINHERITED is a valid argument. The nominating IP didn't invoke WP:GNG just as an aside. If I was equally paranoid I'd accuse you of WP:COI, but I'm not so I won't. 58.164.105.136 (talk) 01:04, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please tell me how the fuck it is possible for me to have a COI, given that I live on the other side of the world entirely, and don't follow the wrestling scene. You and the nominating IP are on exactly the same ISP, and making exactly the same point. Again, this is a national-level championship run by a notable promoter, and previously it was run by an even more notable promoter. That's enough for notability. There's the inevitable coverage about the namechange, such as, there's things like , , and probably a lot more for someone more experienced in what constitutes a reliable source for wrestling than me. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 07:26, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You know you preach knowledge of the rules - how about WP:CIVIL hmm? Same provider? So what? And it's not the same point being made. Similar yes, but the exactly the same. Where is the evidence that this is a national championship run by an AUSTRALIAN promoter? Where is the AUSTRALIAN evidence? You're giving overseas evidence only. Where's the Australian coverage? Nowhere like I said. Therefore it is a national championship in name only and inherits it's notability from a Japanese (Zero1) or American (NWA) promotion. You admit to being on the opposite side of the world. I actually live in Australia and I know of the promotional arm, and it's a non entity like everything else pro wrestling in Australia (see the fact that no current Australian promotions have articles for proof with a number deleted by AfD). Zero1 itself is notable, but only in Japan where it makes it's home - and maybe America. Not anywhere else. If it is, please provide mainstream evidence that is AUSTRALIAN. And for the record, this so-called "national" title has only ever been defended in Perth and Adelaide and it hasn't been defended in Perth for years. Thank you. 58.164.105.136 (talk) 07:42, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Show me where coverage has to come from the particular country for it to count towards notability. That's right, it doesn't have to be. And the fact that the series has been run by two major promoters, REGARDLESS of whether they're Australian or not, means that it is notable, particularly as there are multiple sources that cover it. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 07:49, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The promotion that runs the title is in Australia. You're still violating WP:NOTINHERITED with these comments. You would need to prove that decisions relating to the title came from Japan or California as the case may be, and not from Adelaide or Perth. 58.164.105.136 (talk) 08:09, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I don't, and you're just making things up on the spot now. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 08:10, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I see there's no point debating this with you. Read this and understand that the promotion that runs this title is only an affiliate of Zero1 in Japan and not under Japanese jurisdiction. Thank you. 58.164.105.136 (talk) 08:20, 26 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - Bizarre that an alleged national championship has attracted no reliable press coverage at all (based on my Google search). Fails WP:GNG. Sionk (talk) 12:34, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - The IP nomination statement may not be the best worded, but I understood it to mean that the championships itself is not notable, and notability is not inherited from Zero1. In any case, there simply is no coverage in reliable sources about this event. -- Whpq (talk) 14:52, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete I tend to agree with the IP and those above that the championship fails GNG and its notability cannot be inherited.LM2000 (talk) 06:13, 3 September 2013 (UTC)


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