Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zeta meson


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The consensus appears to be delete. The keep !votes just are not supported by policy. "At least mention it" does not cover the significant coverage criterion of WP:GNG and Google Scholar also is not supportable by policy as a reason to keep. However, consensus appears to be that this is a hoax. If significant reliable sources are found proving otherwise, there is no prejudice to recreate. v/r - TP 23:46, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Zeta meson

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Clearly a fake. Particle is neither mentioned in PDG tables nor in the references included in this article itself. ulm (talk) 16:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: The particle is not included in PDG tables because of its technically hypothetical nature, as it says in the article. None of the references are devoted entirely to the zeta meson itself but all at least mention it. Hopefully more information will get added as time goes on from more sources, but that won't happen if the article is deleted. LarryLadd (talk) 00:26, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Hi Larry... just a quick question :) As article creator, perhaps you might be able to explain the difference between a Zeta meson and, for example, a B meson? FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 02:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply Flowerpotman: I believe the zeta meson can have positive parity? I'm not exactly clear on that myself, though. LarryLadd (talk) 01:40, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete None of the sources actually mention zeta mesons. Description is incoherent. (If a zeta consists of a bottom and antiup, what do top quarks have to do with it?) Literature search of zeta meson reveals nothing even close to this. (There was a 5sigma statstical fluke at 8 GeV in the 80s that was called the zeta boson though.)TR 07:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Actually, at what accelerator at Argonne these particles should have been produced? ATLAS has only 17 MeV per nucleon which is clearly insufficient for production of bottom quarks (let alone top quarks). And the Zero Gradient Synchrotron had already been shut down at the date that is mentioned in the article. --ulm (talk) 10:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: It is fake. The author's personal page is also fake: The Tireless Contributor Barnstar is claimed to be awarded "to LarryLadd for his tireless contribution to Wikipedia, especially his work on the J/ψ meson". One can check that he has never edited the article on the J/ψ meson. He claims also to be Russian native speaker even 3 times, and a lot of other languages. -- Ace111 (talk) 15:44, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 18:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Google Scholar finds several references to a hypothetical "zeta meson" ("ζ meson"). That seems to establish notability, although part of the article content is highly dubious and obviously needs serious attention. However, that's not grounds for deletion. -- 202.124.73.102 (talk) 10:05, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * None of those use seem related to the current article. Moreover, the different uses do not even seem to be related to each other. I'm sort of doubtful that any of those meet the GNG. Even if they do, the current hoax article needs to be deleted.TR 11:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.