Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zhao Jing (volleyball)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Although the head count is roughly equal, a clear consensus to delete emerged in the second half of the discussion. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 07:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Zhao Jing (volleyball)

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Single secondary source, mostly filled with quotes from the subject. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 08:11, 23 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment per Notability (sports), played in international tournament, with reliable secondary source. Marthadandridge (talk) 18:34, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I mentioned nothing about Notability being an issue. My problem is the sourcing. A single source, which uses many many primary quotes, reduces it's reliability as an independent source. Of course google translate can only go so far... -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 18:51, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Single source is a tag, not a rationale for deletion. FIVB is independent of the subject, and is reliable. deletion is not an quality improvement process. Marthadandridge (talk) 15:51, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:44, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:45, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:45, 23 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep: verifiably international player. Pam  D  18:12, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Lack of coverage in sources, difficult to argue notability given the paucity of sources. WCM email 13:33, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - Unfortunately, volleyball isn't covered under WP:NSPORT, but it seems most sports count a player on a national team which has competed at an international level or participated in an international tournament - including the Olympics - as notable. Why not just tag the article with any of these instead of putting it at AfD?  originalmess  how u doin that busta rhyme? 14:19, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. WP:AFD is not cleanup. I agree that the current state of sourcing of the article is bad but she played in an international tournament, with RS. L293D (☎ • ✎) 15:14, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep has played for the national team. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 19:52, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep given sourced international competition. Ralbegen (talk) 19:17, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Given evidence presented below. Ralbegen (talk) 20:34, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Closer Query - I'm wondering if there are two sourcing issues here. One is that GNG takes precedence over NSPORT (which merely offers quick and ready aids) and that GNG wouldn't seem to be satisfied. The other is that even if that weren't the case, can NSPORT be expanded (albeit reasonably) in such an ad hoc fashion, or does its absence mean GNG is the only notability issue to arise? Nosebagbear (talk) 12:15, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep participation in an olympics as verified in this article is usually sufficient for inclusion as it is expected that Olympians receive significant coverage offline if not online, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 18:16, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Atlantic306 Did you verify the source? She never played in the 2004 Olympics, see Volleyball at the 2004 Summer Olympics – Women's team rosters. She was indeed on the 18-player roster (2004_FIVB_World_Grand_Prix_squads), but not on the 12-player Olympic roster. The article says "She participated int the 2004 Summer Olympics qualifying tournament." but China qualified in 2003 and did not participate at all in the 2004 FIVB Women's World Olympic Qualification Tournament. Timmyshin (talk) 19:55, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * In that case have struck my keep vote!, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 11:35, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


 * User:PamD User:Originalmess User:Ralbegen User:Editorofthewiki User:L293D Please back up your statements with facts. Just because her name is on a roster doesn't mean she appeared in any games. If you believe she played for China please tell us which game. Timmyshin (talk) 20:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Procedural Keep as nomination does not specify a valid reason for deletion (Deletion policy). Bakazaka (talk) 22:05, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That wouldn't hold up so long as anyone since has posed a deletion reason, which they have. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:15, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete despite being on the 18-person roster for the 2004 FIVB Volleyball World Grand Prix, I don't see evidence she appears in a match; WP:NSPORT is not met. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 21:04, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Comment I agree with User:power~enwiki being in a roster doesnt make notable. Just being in the team for Olympic Qualifier isnt notable either. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  12:11, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 *  CommentThis is what a google search in Chinese sources yields on Zhao Jing (volleyball). Haven't had the time to look through the search results to see if she meets WP:BASIC myself, but maybe this will help anyone who is interested. Bennv3771 (talk) 05:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. Suggestions to Keep yet admitting that we have no sources are inexplicable under Wikipedia terms. No major wins reported anywhere. Therefore, subject fails WP:NATHLETE since claims to the contrary are not verifiable. -The Gnome (talk) 10:06, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kirbanzo (talk) 20:01, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * delete Maybe sources exist in Chinese but I don't see that the GNG is met. I also don't see anything to show WP:NSPORTS is met.Sandals1 (talk) 15:01, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I've searched through many English and Chinese sources and have to conclude that this player does not meet BASIC/NSPORTS. Only substantial coverage is the secondary source already cited in the article (which, as pointed out in the nom, is mainly quotes), with the rest just being routine game coverage. Bennv3771 (talk) 12:10, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - as well as believing, firmly, that GNG is not satisfied by the absence of sources, and that should be enough to make it insufficient. There is also a lack of clear evidence she actually satisfied WP:ATHLETE - with any doubt on that it make there no functional case to retain at all. Nosebagbear (talk) 20:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.