Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zhe Zeng (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. While those arguing for keep have found some coverage, they have not found enough to counter the WP:NOTMEMORIAL argument, at least in the eyes of those arguing delete. The renaming of a street does not provide automatic notability - nor, under our guidelines, does it provide any semblance of notability at all if not accompanied by other evidence. Ironholds (talk) 04:30, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Zhe Zeng
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Non-notable WP:ORPHAN stub article. Victim of September 11 attacks but does not meet WP:NOTABILITY guidelines. Also, article falls under WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Nominating individually based upon earlier AFD.  Sottolacqua  (talk) 17:49, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Willing to hear otherwise, but all I've seen is memorial coverage. I think the other one closed as a keep because a street was named after him in his memory.  That's not surprising, nor is it notable enough for an article-- nearly every U.S. serviceman killed in Iraq or Afghanistan has had a bridge, a street or another location named for him.  Sorry, WP:MEMORIAL may seem harsh, but it's one of the better rules that we have.  Mandsford 18:07, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Memorial, as others. I do not find the "he has a street named after him" thing to be an automatic conferrer of notability. Tarc (talk) 16:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep If a major city considers you notable enough to have a street named after you, then they consider you a notable person. News coverage shows his story, he running to the building to help, instead of staying safe.  See the New York Times bit about him .  Book coverage as well.   D r e a m Focus  02:49, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The mentions in a sermon and a magazine might score some points, and although I agree that he was one of many that day whose actions were selfless and heroic, I don't see much that suggests that he's actually celebrated as a "Chinese-American hero", the article's claims notwithstanding. I don't see that it makes any difference whether a major city or a small town names one of its street (or in this case, a one block section of Bayard Street) after a person.  We don't even confer that type of automatic notability for persons who have had an entire town named for them, and I can only imagine how many articles we'd get if there was a pass for people whose name became a street, road or bridge.  Mandsford 16:28, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:37, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - some coverage in independent sources, but not enough I think to pass the notability test; WP:NOTMEMORIAL applies. I agree that having a street named after you, by itself, isn't grounds for notability; I don't think it's enough to turn this into a 'Keep'. Robofish (talk) 22:57, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep due to somewhat substantial coverage if we cannot Merge him into a list of something like Victims of the September 11 attacks.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 23:26, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


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