Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zhengzhou No.47 Middle School


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. based on newly located sources but it seems to be a Weak Keep. Liz Read! Talk! 21:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Zhengzhou No.47 Middle School

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Cannot find anything notable online about the school (which has 7000 students and 500 staff). Most online articles repeat the existing Wikipedia wording which reads like an advertisement. The only exception I can find is Deloitte - who say the school offers classes to international students (https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/at/Documents/Tax/Chinese%20Services%20Group/kr_cbc_investment_henan-zhengzhou_en_201612.pdf) Newhaven lad (talk) 17:47, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Schools and China.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  20:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Notability (organizations and companies), which says: "All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)" Sources   The article notes: "郑州市第47中学（下称郑州47中），一所只有20年历史的学校. 每年都有毕业生成功考入清华、北大、浙大等名牌大学，连续多年高考国家级宏志班一本上线率达到100%，2013-2016年连续四届国际班毕业生全部被世界500强名校录取. 2015年，郑州47中获得了河南省“十大最具国际特色学校”荣誉称号，2016年被评为河南省唯一一家国际教育类“河南教育名片”. " From Google Translate: "Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School (hereinafter referred to as Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School) is a school with a history of only 20 years. Every year, graduates are successfully admitted to prestigious universities such as Tsinghua University, Peking University, and Zhejiang University. For many years, the admission rate of the national-level Hongzhi class in the college entrance examination has reached 100%. From 2013 to 2016, all graduates of the four consecutive international classes were admitted to the world's top 500 universities. In 2015, Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School won the honorary title of "Top Ten Most International Schools" in Henan Province. In 2016, it was named the only international education "Henan Education Business Card" in Henan Province."   The article notes: "郑州市第四十七初级中学1996年建校，先后被授予“全国文明单位”“全国文明校园”“全国国防教育示范学校”“郑州市首批新优质初中”等国家省市级荣誉百余项，连续20年荣评“郑州市教学创新先进单位”. 此次优质教育资源的扩容，将推进优质教育更加均衡. " From Google Translate: "Zhengzhou No. 47 Junior High School was established in 1996. It has been awarded more than 100 national, provincial and municipal honors such as "National Civilized Unit", "National Civilized Campus", "National Defense Education Demonstration School", "Zhengzhou City's First Batch New High-Quality Junior High School", etc. Xiang has been rated as "Zhengzhou Advanced Unit for Teaching Innovation" for 20 consecutive years. This expansion of high-quality educational resources will promote a more balanced high-quality education." The article notes: "大河报·豫视频记者现场了解到，郑州市第四十七初级中学（东校区）位于金水区杨金路街道. ... 郑州市第四十七初级中学（东校区）在建项目工程计划将于2023年5月经过验收，2023年9月投入使用. 该校区占地40余亩，建筑面积60000平方米，可满足48教学班的正常使用. " From Google Translate: "Dahe News·Yu Video reporter learned on the spot that Zhengzhou No. 47 Junior High School (East Campus) is located in Yangjin Road Street, Jinshui District. ... The project under construction in the middle school (East Campus) is scheduled to be inspected and accepted in May 2023 and put into use in September 2023. The campus covers an area of ​​more than 40 acres, with a construction area of ​​60,000 square meters, which can meet the normal use of 48 teaching classes."   The article notes: "1996年大学毕业后，被分配到郑州市第四十七中学，成为这所新建校的第一批教师. 从筚路蓝缕的艰难创业到成为有广泛影响力的全国文明校园，夏霞见证了这所学校迭代升级的每一步，她也从一名教师成长为中层干部、副校长、专职副书记到分级管理后郑州市第四十七初级中学的校长. " From Google Translate: "After graduating from university in 1996, he was assigned to Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School and became the first batch of teachers in this new school. From a difficult start-up to becoming a nationally civilized campus with widespread influence, Xia Xia has witnessed every step of the school's iterative upgrades. She has also grown from a teacher to a middle-level cadre, vice-principal, full-time deputy secretary to a post-graduation management The principal of Zhengzhou No. 47 Junior High School." The article notes: "8月27日，郑州市第四十七初级中学东校区迎来了首批1000余名学子，为了保证新校区开学平稳有序，夏霞整整两周没有回家，吃住在校、时刻守护. " From Google Translate: "On August 27, the East Campus of No. 47 Junior High School in Zhengzhou welcomed the first batch of more than 1,000 students. In order to ensure the smooth and orderly opening of the new campus, Xia Xia did not go home for two whole weeks, living and eating in school and guarding her at all times."   The article notes: "据悉，郑州市第四十七初级中学除积极开展讲座外，还进一步完善了校园欺凌及校园突发事件处置的处理制度、措施，建立了校园欺凌事件、校园突发事件处置应急处理预案，明确了相关岗位教职工预防和职责. " From Google Translate: "It is reported that in addition to actively conducting lectures, Zhengzhou No. 47 Junior High School has further improved the system and measures for handling campus bullying and campus emergencies, established an emergency response plan for campus bullying and campus emergencies , and clearly stated The prevention and responsibilities of faculty and staff in relevant positions have been clarified. "   The article notes: "6月19日，記者從鄭州市第四十七初級中學獲悉，鄭州市第四十七初級中學東校區（以下簡稱東校區）將在2023年秋季學期正式投入使用，新七年級計劃招收8個班. " From Google Translate: "On June 19, reporters learned from Zhengzhou No. 47 Junior High School that the East Campus of Zhengzhou No. 47 Junior High School (hereinafter referred to as the East Campus) will be officially put into use in the fall semester of 2023. The new seventh grade students are planned to enroll 8 classes." </li> <li> The article notes: "本报讯由郑州市政府教育督导室组织，各社区代表、学生家长代表参与，经过近半年时间的开放式评估，郑州市首批１０所示范性高中昨天脱颖而出. 据了解，从２００２年９月２５日起到今年６月１８日止，１０所示范性高中经过了开放性的评估方式，"  From Google Translate: "This report was organized by the Education Supervision Office of the Zhengzhou Municipal Government, with the participation of community representatives and student parent representatives. After nearly half a year of open evaluation, the first batch of 10 demonstration model high schools in Zhengzhou stood out yesterday. It is understood that from 25 September 2002 to 18 June this year, 10 model high schools passed an open evaluation method." The article notes: "这１０所示范性高中分别为：... 郑州市第四十七中学(高 中部) ..." From Google Translate: "These 10 demonstration model high schools are: ... Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School (High School Division) ..." </li> <li> The article notes: "本报讯昨天上午9时15分，郑州市第四十七中学高中部的警报突然拉响，教学楼内外迅速弥漫起滚滚浓烟. 三楼6名被困在阳台上的学生，在消防官兵的指挥下，纵身从10米高处跃向 地上的气垫(右图 )… …这是昨天该校在全国中小学安全教育日组织的一场大型逃生演练，200多名学生分别采用不同的方式安全逃离了“危险地带”. " From Google Translate: "This newspaper reported that at 9:15 a.m. yesterday, the alarm in the high school section of Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School suddenly sounded, and thick smoke quickly filled the inside and outside of the teaching building. Six students trapped on the balcony on the third floor, under the command of fire officers and soldiers, jumped from a height of 10 meters to an air mattress on the ground (picture on the right)... This was organized by the school yesterday on the National Primary and Secondary School Safety Education Day In a large-scale escape drill, more than 200 students used different methods to escape the "danger zone" safely." </li> <li> The article notes: "与此同时，郑州市第四十七中学也已通过中国教育国际交流协会，与新西兰国立西方理工学院签订协议，成立中国与新西兰友好实验班，并已在郑州市教育局备案，计划于2004年招收首批计划内学生. " From Google Translate: "At the same time, Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School has also signed an agreement with the National Western Institute of Technology of New Zealand through the China Education International Exchange Association to establish a China-New Zealand friendship experimental class. It has been registered with the Zhengzhou Municipal Education Bureau and is planned to be launched in 2004 after recruiting the first batch of planned students." </li> <li> The article notes: "去年9月开学后，郑州市第四十七中、省实验中学等全省5所高中，开办了第一批省级宏志班. 根据省教育厅的批准，共有150名来自全省各地贫困地区、家庭贫困却品学兼优的学生，走进了郑州市的两所高中. " From Google Translate: "After the start of school in September last year, five high schools in the province, including Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School and Provincial Experimental Middle School, opened the first batch of provincial ambition classes." The article notes: "在郑州市第四十七中，学生刚进校时，学校了解到，几乎所有的宏志生在英语和计算机两科上，学习起来都非常吃力，而四十七中的不少城市学生却又有着城里独生子女的骄横等通病. " From Google Translate: "In Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School, when the students first entered the school, the school learned that almost all Hongzhi students had difficulty learning in English and computer subjects, while many urban students in No. 7 Middle School had difficulty learning. He has the arrogance and arrogance common among only children in the city." The article notes: "五一期间，郑州市第四十七中的老师到了全省多个贫困县乡进行考察. 在那里，他们看到了更多家庭贫困的学生. " From Google Translate: "During the May Day period, teachers from Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School visited many impoverished counties and villages across the province for inspections. There, they saw more students from poor families." </li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 11:08, 9 March 2024 (UTC) </li></ul> Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. One of thousands of similar schools. Fails GNG. Bearian (talk) 14:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per the sources found by User:Cunard. I'm puzzled by User:Bearian's comment – we have articles about many other secondary schools, and the fact that this is a secondary school doesn't seem like a reason for deleting the article. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:30, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Probably delete - I accept that the notability of schools is still a contested area and we still need clarity on how we are making AfD decisions. However following this RfC the consensus is that secondary schools need to show they meet the same notability standards as other organisations. Simply WP:ROUTINE coverage and regurgitated press releases are not enough. Cunard has supplied a blizzard of such sources in their usual way (I'm not criticising, having sources to discuss at AfD is better than no sources) but in my opinion these are simply statements that all schools everywhere aim to get in local newspaper coverage. I appreciate it is an example of systematic bias, but unless we see significant and independent coverage in a reliable source (which as far as I'm concerned essentially means pages in a book or a long press article) I'm !voting delete. JMWt (talk) 09:33, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:NSCHOOL only requires GNG for public schools, and Cunards sources are sufficient to meet that bar. Jumpytoo Talk 19:34, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Weak keep per sources provided by Cunard, but also taking into account JMWt's arguments. S5A-0043 Talk 05:17, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting, anyone want to take on evaluating the newly found sources? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:11, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Looking at those sources, they are all primary, aren't they? Do we have any secondary sourcing? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:56, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No original research says that primary sources are "original materials that are close to an event, and are often accounts written by people who are directly involved". I do not consider these newspaper articles to be "close to an event" or "written by people who are directly involved". They are secondary sources that rely on primary sources in discussing the school's history and background. Cunard (talk) 01:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment: JMWt's statement that "secondary schools need to show they meet the same notability standards as other organisations" is an inaccurate reading of the guideline. Notability (organizations and companies) says: "All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)" The guideline says that for non-profit schools like Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School, passing Notability is sufficient. There is no need for the school to also pass Notability (organizations and companies). JMWt's statement that schools have to receive "pages in a book or a long press article" is a much higher bar than what the guideline requires and is contradicted by Notability, which defines significant coverage like this: "'Significant coverage' addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." Bearian wrote, "One of thousands of similar schools. Fails GNG." This comment fails to explain why the school "fails GNG". That this school is like "one of thousands of similar schools" is not a policy-based reason for deletion. And calling this school run-of-the-mill is false because the school was designated an exemplar senior high school in July 2003. From this book published by Springer Nature (which is licensed under https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/): "Thus, the Chinese government had to develop a project of Key High School that classified a part of schools as key schools while others as ordinary schools in order to concentrate limited resources on quality assurance in key schools. In 1953, 194 high schools of the country were named as Key High Schools. 194 schools were a very small portion (4.4%) of the large number of high schools in China (Li, 2003, p. 276). According to related policy, the Key High Schools were given priority in funding, human resource, school facilities, and selection of students. By extraordinary input, the Key High Schools had constantly improved the quality of their teaching and learning and prepared a number of excellent graduates for the country since then (Feng, 2007). Historically, the project of Key High School made a great contribution to prepare quality graduates of senior high schools for China's universities and colleges as well as for the country's industry and agriculture by concentrating limited resources during 1950s and 1960s. However, with the increasing demand for senior high school education in the early 1990s, the issue of expanding the scale of senior high school education was put on the agenda of Chinese government. The State Council called on building up 1000 high quality senior high schools throughout the country in its RHD in 1994, Opinions of State Council on carrying out 'Compendium for China's educational reform and development (State Council, 1994). In this RHD, the old name Key High School was replaced by a new name Exemplar Senior High School (hereafter called 'ESHS')." Cunard (talk) 01:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment. Out of the 9 sources put up by Cunard above, 5 are from Dahe Daily, which amounts to a single source i.e. same publisher. Of the others, source 1 is brief but OK. Source 3 is about a teacher; the school is only mentioned. Sources 4 & 5 look like reports on press releases put out by the school — doubtful independence and no editorial analysis or commentary. Basically, there's coverage of the school in Dahe Daily and source 1, but this doesn't satisfy the multiple, independent requirement of GNG; multiple meaning 3 or more independent reliable sources. Rupples (talk) 02:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Notability says, "There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected." "multiple meaning 3 or more independent reliable sources" is inaccurate. multiple says: "More than one". Merriam-Webster says, "consisting of, including, or involving more than one". Cambridge Dictionary says, "having more than one and usually several of something". I consider sources 4 and 5 to be sufficiently independent to meet Notability, which says: "'Independent of the subject' excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent." The sources are bylined and are not "works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it". Source 4 contains the reporter's observations of a school lecture, while source 5 contains the journalist's reporting on the new East Campus expansion. Editors could try to make the argument that sources 4 and 5 do not meet the "intellectual independence" requirement of Notability (organizations and companies), but Notability has no such requirement. As a non-profit school, Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School needs to meet only Notability. Cunard (talk) 04:02, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I acknowledge your explanation over how you see the guidelines, but it is but one interpretation, albeit a valid one. "Multiple" could mean just two sources and could amount to satisfying significant coverage. I might agree with this if source 1 offered more indepth coverage than half a dozen short sentences on the school. I assess the sources to decide what content can be employed in writing an encyclopedic article and evaluate whether there's enough such material. I'm not seeing sufficient depth in the sources, so to my thinking the GNG is not satisfied. The only reason I've held back from !voting delete is because of uncertainty over whether the designation "exemplar high school" makes the school notable, when compared with the 15,000 or so other senior high schools in China. Rupples (talk) 05:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

<ul><li>Comment: Here are some additional sources about Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School:<ol> <li> The article notes: "其中，中澳班是郑州四十七中和澳大利亚阿德雷德大学附属中学安斯伯利学院合作开办的，是进入世界500强大学的基地. 采取中外教师同时授课的方式，并将根据学生的综合情况，定制四个留学方向：美国排名前50的大学、美国排名前100的大学、澳大利亚五星大学、澳大利亚四星大学. 美高中双文凭国际班（简称中美班）是由四十七中和美国华盛顿州教育局附属中学合作的项目. 采用中英双语教学的方式，让学生同时完成中国和美国高中课程的学习，并获得受到中国教育部和美国教育部认可的中国高中文凭和美国高中文凭. 学生的最终升学目标是以美国为主的前100名大学，及加拿大、澳洲、英国等的世界名校. " From Google Translate: "Among them, the Chinese-Australian class is jointly run by Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School and Eynesbury College, a high school affiliated with the University of Adelaide in Australia. It is a base for entering the world's top 500 universities. Chinese and foreign teachers will teach at the same time, and four study abroad directions will be customized according to the comprehensive situation of the students: the top 50 universities in the United States, the top 100 universities in the United States, five-star universities in Australia, and four-star universities in Australia. The U.S. High School Dual Diploma International Class (referred to as the Chinese-American Class) is a cooperative project between No. 47 Middle School and the High School Affiliated to the Washington State Department of Education in the United States. Using Chinese-English bilingual teaching, students can complete Chinese and American high school courses at the same time, and obtain Chinese high school diplomas and American high school diplomas recognised by the Chinese Ministry of Education and the U.S. Ministry of Education. The students’ ultimate admission goal is the top 100 universities, mainly in the United States, as well as world-famous universities in Canada, Australia, and the United Kingdom." </li> <li> The abstract notes: "采用文献资料法、实验法、数理统计法等研究方法，对郑州市第四十七中学高一网球选项班男生的体质健康指标进行测试、分析和研究，旨在探讨网球在高中体育课程中的开设对高中学生体质健康指标有何影响. 结果表明高中学生通过网球课的锻炼，对体质健康指标有积极的促进作用，与传统的体育教学相比，高中网球选项课的开设，有助于激发高中学生的体育锻炼兴趣，对提升自身体质健康水平的效果明显. " From Google Translate: "Using literature methods, experimental methods, mathematical statistics and other research methods, the physical health indicators of the boys in the first-grade tennis optional class of Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School were tested, analyzed and studied, with the aim of exploring the role of tennis in high school physical education courses. What impact does the establishment of a middle school have on the physical health indicators of high school students. The results show that high school students’ exercise in tennis classes has a positive effect on physical health indicators. Compared with traditional physical education, the opening of high school tennis optional courses can help stimulate high school students’ interest in physical exercise and improve their physical fitness. The effect on health level is obvious." </li> <li> The abstract notes: "郑州市47中是郑州市规模最大的一所公立现代化中学,建校6年.初、高中学生达4 500多人. 为适应发展的需求,拟在郑东新区新建优质高中部.校园占地258亩,建筑面积达8.7万多平方米,拥有完备的教学、实验、体育和生活设施以及富有人文气息的校园空间,实行寄宿制管理,为学生提供充足的学习时间及良好、舒适的生活条件." From Google Translate: "Zhengzhou No. 47 Middle School is the largest public modern middle school in Zhengzhou City. It was established 6 years ago. There are more than 4,500 junior and senior high school students. In order to meet the needs of development, it is planned to build a new high-quality high school in Zhengdong New District. The campus covers an area of 258 acres, with a construction area of more than 87,000 square meters, has complete teaching, experimental, sports and living facilities as well as a campus space rich in humanistic atmosphere. It implements boarding management to provide students with sufficient study time and good and comfortable living conditions." </li> </ol>Cunard (talk) 08:39, 25 March 2024 (UTC)</li></ul>
 * Comment on additional 3 sources provided by Cunard. The first is helpful as it shows international links which may raise the school above 'run of the mill' criticism. The tennis one doesn't help with notability — it's the sort of 'research' I've seen with Indonesian schools on Google Scholar — as the report itself concludes "the effect on health is obvious". The third is useful, but again brief, if that's all there is. GNG coverage borderline, but there's suggestions the school is notable. Good work by Cunard finding all these sources. Rupples (talk) 14:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reviewing the sources. The third source is three pages long, and the quote is from the abstract. Cunard (talk) 06:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. It's unfortunate there's access restrictions on the architectural design of the school (source 3 Bai, Jiong ). It is 3 pages in length and appears to be focussed on the school. In my view when combined with the other sources there is now just about enough to take this over the line in respect of the significant coverage requirement of the GNG. Rupples (talk) 13:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)


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