Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zinfandel Advocates and Producers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep (non-admin closure) - After work done by editor to beef up references, and per the later evaluations, article now appears to have a consensus to keep  Onel 5969 . TT me 03:05, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Zinfandel Advocates and Producers

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Non-notable non-profit. Fails WP:ORG. ukexpat (talk) 03:40, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. North America1000 08:41, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wine-related deletion discussions. North America1000 08:41, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. North America1000 08:41, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. North America1000 08:41, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Maybe delete for now unless it can be drafted and userfied as although News, Books and Highbeam all found results, there's likely no better improvement. SwisterTwister   talk  06:39, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * How about move to draft space for now? A brief look in Google yielded no articles about Zinfandel Advocates and Producers that would establish notability, but the annual zinfandel festival put on by the organization, variously called Zinfandel Experience or ZAP Experience, does appear to meet the notability standard, with multiple in-depth articles. There may or may not be enough material to support a short section about the sponsoring organization in a Zinfandel Experience article. I am willing to convert the existing article into one appropriate for Wikipedia, but agree it should not stay in mainspace as is. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 18:51, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm familiar with the ZAP group since I like wine, so I looked into it further. I spent some research time and found literally dozens of references to ZAP, not only for the Zinfandel Experience that GrammarFascist cites, but for legislature introduced, efforts to find the origins of Zinfandel and what appears to be a pretty important project called the Zinfandel Heritage Project. I've been assembling all this and would like to make an effort to submit a fairly complete rewrite soon that to me appears to fulfill the notability requirements of wikipedia. [User:PH Solution|PH Solution]] (talk) 22:56, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I am answering new user PH Solution's somewhat off-topic questions elsewhere (on my talk page, where they initiated a conversation with me after I put a welcome message on their talk page). Thanks for contributing to the discussion here, though, PH Solution. :) — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 23:23, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:03, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Yes, this article needs to be improved, but I am very confident that the organization is notable. Disclosure: I live in California wine country and have many friends who work in the industry. I have read many articles about this organization over the years, but not all such coverage is readily available online. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:24, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * comment note that a major expansion and rewrite has just bee done by . I urge previous participants in this discussion to reconsider in the light of this major change. DES (talk) 01:55, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * comment As promised last week, I did a lot of research on this and think I've addressed the issue of notability, as well as increasing content. I initially thought I would just expand the stub, but it wasn't going in a useful direction so I decided to replace it, after reading all the encouragement on this site to "be bold". I hope my contribution to this page is worthwhile. It's an enjoyable project and I look forward to working on some other articles.PH Solution (talk) 02:13, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep — The (impressively researched) edits by are more than sufficient to establish notability. I have struck out my previous comment above. With a little more work this article that was on the verge of deletion might soon make Good Article status. — GrammarFascist   contribs talk 02:20, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep I was just informed by a very helpful person that I can vote on keeping this after making a contribution, so I wanted to do so. Thanks!!!PH Solution (talk) 02:37, 1 October 2015 (UTC)


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