Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zinwrath


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 00:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Zinwrath
Seems to exist purely to promote a machinima production. I prod tagged this about 5 days ago, but the tag was removed. Nothing links here. Item 3 in the list is ludicrous. Drat (Talk) 23:59, 13 March 2006 (UTC).


 * "Zinwrath: The Movie" has had over 500,000 downloads and was a winner in the Blizzcon Movie Contest. It has also been nominated for the Fourth Annual Golden Llamas award for best World of Warcraft movie. The Dementia-Myndflame team has also recently produced a new video, "Illegal Danish: Super Snacks" which won five 1st place awards and one 2nd place award in the Xfire/Blizzard movie contest, one of the largest Machinima competitions to date. To consider this to be a "non-notable" article is far from truth, as hundreds of thousands of people know the "Zinwrath" name. This article should be revised to provide more suitable information, not deleted. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.128.206.245 (talk &bull; contribs) on March 13, 2005.
 * All of that info should be in the article (with references). You can't expect readers to "just know"!  Particularly if you are then going to complain when it is suggested it may not be notable!  It is up to people who want the article to be kept to revise it and provide the information you ask for.  --RobertG &#9836; talk 10:09, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article is in desperate need to be cleaned up, because right now it's impossible to figure out what the article is about as is, but it appears to be at least somewhat notable in internet and gamer culture. According to this website, it was (or will be) featured on G4TV's Cinematech on Oct. 19 (not sure what year). Aplomado - UTC 01:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Conditional Keep It does appear to meet notability but it needs serious clean up. kotepho 05:17, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete in its current form (the article makes no case for why it is notable). If (and only if) the argument above for its notability can be referenced, then clean up the article and add the evidence with references.  Delete item 3 per Drat.  --RobertG &#9836; talk 10:09, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per Aplomado. -- S iva1979 Talk to me  12:33, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete unless cleaned up and notability established. This is halfway between a dab page and an article, but is a bad example of both. Stifle 20:05, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * CommentI'll gleefully clean it up and add notability references, but I'm afraid I'm new to this, what kind of notability reference should I be looking for to refer to it? Charlam 00 02:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Preferably reliable, independant sources. See Reliable sources for more info. Also take a look at the Red vs Blue article, to see the various kinds of sources cited.--Drat (Talk) 03:02, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Drat, it appears this one doesn't have near the notability Illegal Danish :Super Snacks does, at least from the research I can do. Though it's funny, I'd have to say someone else will have to defend it's notability Charlam 00 04:44, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.