Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zionist and Palestinian Arab attitudes before 1948


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. strong opinions to delete, mild opinions to keep. Please Be bold and aggressively address the issues. tedder (talk) 07:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Zionist and Palestinian Arab attitudes before 1948
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I still think this page is extremely POV, uses sources like Norman Finkelstein to say what the Zionists thought for God's sake, everything nearly is CD Smith who isn't terribly a notable professor so in effect we're basically reading that person's book, same with Flapan, Nasalha, that this article is really just copy and paste from their book, to the point where we can't even know if their books were read. The article adds little to Wikipedia, and is really just blatant POV.Tallicfan20 (talk) 09:19, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Note that this article under an earlier name was proposed for deletion in 2008 with the result keep. Zerotalk 05:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It hasn't improved much tho.


 * Keep but needs major work. It reads more like an essay than a Wikipedia article, and it gives too much space to a small group of authors who are mostly on one side.  But there is nothing wrong with the concept of the article and with a fair amount of effort it could turn out ok. Zerotalk 05:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Much of the stuff in here could simply be used on a Zionism or anti-Zionism page.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.  — Malik Shabazz  07:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions.  — Malik Shabazz  07:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment—what does the title mean? No one can seriously be expected to look for this article, or understand what it's about without reading it. —Ynhockey (Talk) 13:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Mild delete &mdash; seems like a very specific fork (bearing in mind the comment in the previous AfD that the undated variant was forked off because of a supposed "lack of space" in the Zionism article) which could be used as a bit of a hiding ground for either PoV, or large sections lifted from books without comprehension or editing; leading indeed to potential concerns about copyvio too. (While we're at it, and in case this gets worked on rather than deleted, I'm uncomfortable with its premise/definition, too: that " 'Palestinian Arabs' refers to the non-Jewish population of Palestine at the...time". It shouldn't; there were non-Arabs in that population.) – Kieran T  (' talk ') 12:04, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete SYNTH, ESSAY. I could not find a similar article in the cats attached to this article. An article about 'attitudes'? Seems like an easy way to push POV in one direction or another. --Shuki (talk) 18:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete this article is extreme POV pushing, probably cut and paste, or maybe even simply attributing things to people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.3.163 (talk) 23:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. One big WP:SYNTH essay, a clear-cut WP:OR violation. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 22:57, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. While this article is not without merit, I agree with the nom and others that this is essentially an essay, not an encyclopedia article. Probably belongs in WikiBooks. -- Nudve (talk) 07:58, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename - This proposal of deletion is a bad idea. I wrote on the talk page that I considered (too) there was some pov-fork and PoV issues in the article BUT the way to solve this is certainly not in deleting whole JaapBoBo's work... Currently (but it should be discussed) I think the best title for an article on the topic would be Zionists and Arabs in Mandate Palestine referring to 2 books used in the bibliography of the article (Flapan, Simha, 1979, Zionism and the Palestinians - Gorny, Yosef, 1987, Zionism and the Arabs, 1882-1948) and also to Tom Segev, One Palestine, Complete, whose subtitle is Jews and Arabs under the British Mandate. Ceedjee (talk) 11:17, 1 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.244.177.22 (talk)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
 * Keep but rename - This proposal of deletion is a bad idea. I wrote on the talk page that I considered (too) there was some pov-fork and PoV issues in the article BUT the way to solve this is certainly not in deleting whole JaapBoBo's work... Currently (but it should be discussed) I think the best title for an article on the topic would be Zionists and Arabs in Mandate Palestine referring to 2 books used in the bibliography of the article (Flapan, Simha, 1979, Zionism and the Palestinians - Gorny, Yosef, 1987, Zionism and the Arabs, 1882-1948) and also to Tom Segev, One Palestine, Complete, whose subtitle is Jews and Arabs under the British Mandate. Ceedjee (talk) 11:17, 1 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.244.177.22 (talk)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.