Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ziyarat of Ashura


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Sam Sailor Talk! 00:40, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Ziyarat of Ashura

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An almost complete (95% according to my word count comparison) Coatrack and OR. A google search brought up almost 9000 results so I was perplexed as to why there was so much mention of this on the websites but only 5 results in the "books" section. It appears that this is just a simple prayer (of which there are almost one million in Islam) which appears on various Shi'ite websites. However, not a single reliable source discusses this in depth. Keeping this article is comparable to having a stand alone article on "God bless". Therefore this should be removed with a brief mention made in the Ashura article. To be frank once OR and coat rack is removed it only leaves like 5 lines of text, quite enough to be placed in the Ashura article. Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 03:46, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Fully sourced and notable topic. Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article​, WP:NEXIST. According to WP:GOOGLECHECK, Google search can not prove anything about notability. There are other things determined the notability, WP:GNG, please discuss about them. By this idea, "therefore this should be removed with a brief mention made in the Ashura article" why do you offer to delete, while you can suggest the merge. Saff V. (talk) 10:26, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * So you admit that currently the article does not cite any RS. glad to have that out of the way. As for your claim that google cannot prove that a topic is non-notable, so please be kind enough to use some reliable sources to prove that the article is notable. Just because you create/add significant OR to an article does not mean that it will be considered notable. It may be notable in your opinion (and we as wikipedia editors respect your opinion) but at the end of the day opinion (yours, mine and other) do not matter. We need RELIABLE SOURCES that prove that this article is based on a notable subject. Be kind enough to provide those said reliable sources here, or you can add them to the article directly and then link us to them. Till you provide RS (Here, or in the article) it remains non notable. Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 14:09, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * FreeatlastChitchat These are RELIABLE SOURCES that prove that this article is based on a notable subject:

Saff V. (talk) 09:52, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The Torch of Perpetual Guidance, Ziyarat ‘Ashura of Imam Husayn
 * The Sacred Effusion: Reflections on Ziyarat 'Ashura' of Sayyid Al-Shuhadaa Al-Husayn B. 'Ali
 * Commentary on Ziyarat Ashura
 * Commentary on Ziyarat Ashura
 * Ziyarat and Prayers

- While some part had been WP:OR, subject itself is important and article can be expanded. Keep. Capitals00 (talk) 04:04, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Keep Please check google book to find it is a notable topic. -- Seyyed(t-c) 06:26, 20 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep after having found a reliable source and implemented it to rewrite the lead. - HyperGaruda (talk) 08:28, 20 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep The subject is obviously notable. I wonder whether the nominator tried to search it or not! Mhhossein (talk) 10:58, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 04:02, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


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