Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Mediran  ( t  •  c ) 00:26, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn

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Does not meet GNG. His bio data is sourced to his own website. The triangle he created has no RS to support its notability. Everything blue-linked in the article is not notable either. I assume his claim to fame was that he "co-developed" something with a founder of PGP, but in fact, he is part of a much larger development team, not a one-man show, and the source never claimed that. In short, he's another software guy amongst a lot of other software guys. MSJapan (talk) 01:23, 7 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete proof of notability (ie sources) falls short of our requirements.  Ohconfucius  ping / poke 07:51, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per notability of Tahoe-LAFS and Zooko's triangle. ciphergoth (talk) 14:38, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:17, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:17, 11 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Ri l ey    00:14, 14 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - re the above, notability is not inherited. MSJapan (talk) 04:30, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - I think that the "not inherited" argument could be applied to his ZRTP participation, but he is the leader of the Tahoe-LAFS project, and Zooko's triangle is named after him. Nikita Borisov (talk) 22:42, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - this is a misapplication of WP:NOTINHERITED. If you look at the examples of fallacious notability arguments there, none are of the form "X has done notable work Y, which supports X being notable", because there's nothing fallacious about that. They are all about inheritance of notability by much more tenuous connections. --David-Sarah Hopwood ⚥ (talk) 23:25, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep and improve. Agreed that notability for the projects listed so far is not inherited, but his contributions to (and notability in) computer networking are well supported by hits from Google Books and Google Scholar (try searching for "Bryce Wilcox" as well as the name in the article's title). Needs expansion and referencing. Altered Walter (talk) 09:37, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is someone who is fairly well known in networking and security circles.  JASpencer (talk) 11:06, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. If you want to argue that Tahoe-LAFS and the triangle are not notable, I think it would make more sense to nominate those articles for deletion first. Nikita Borisov (talk) 22:42, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve. Zooko's triangle certainly is notable and its referencing can be improved. As far as I understand, Zooko did co-design the ZRTP protocol (with PRZ and Colin Plumb), contrary to the statement that he is "only" one of a large development team. He is also is one of the two original developers of Tahoe-LAFS, and still one of four core developers (defined as having direct commit authority). --David-Sarah Hopwood ⚥ (talk) 23:15, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, provided someone is willing to improve it significantly. The article as presented does not present impact worthy of an encyclopedia entry. Some serious references would help, like papers referencing his work. -- Taral (talk) 23:26, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, conditional on better sources. I'm ignoring the false nomination logic of (lack of) inheritance from existing articles. Just taking this bio - sources do not meet WP:BASIC, but meets WP:ANYBIO 2. for Zooko's triangle etc. Widefox ; talk 23:28, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
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