Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zoran Dragelj


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. At this point, the consensus is that the article does not satisfy our notability policies.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:38, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Zoran Dragelj

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The subject appears to be a non-notable film maker in Canada. The article was created in 2005 by User:Zoran75 who has admitted to being Zoran Dragelj here after contesting WP:PROD. The article has gone through a number of deletions previously. User: Robth deleted the article on Sept 16, 2008 due to copyright violations. User:Tone delete the article on March 7, 2008 for G11: Blatant Advertising. User:Ronhjones deleted it once more Dec 7, 2014 citing "Expired PROD, concern was: Not a notable person, page is promotional/operating like his resume). After Zoran75 contested PROD, Ronhjones restored the article in question on December 25, 2014. (Deletion log for all actions). The main contributor to the article has been Zoran75 and there appear to be few reputable sources concerning his art work. His talk page indicates that he has had a number of articles deleted in relation to his work. I would argue that this article clearly violates WP:NOTADVERTISING. Based on his  edit history, Zoran75 appears to be a single-purpose account aimed at promoting Mr. Dragelj's career. I eat BC Fish (talk) 00:59, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - I restored it as a contested PROD, it's fitting that it should then come here. This clearly shows it's an autobiography. Ron h jones (Talk) 01:19, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not seeing significant coverage. Article created by a WP:SPA. This is likely WP:COI or WP:AUTOBIO. NickCT (talk) 02:09, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. ceradon  ( talk  •  contribs ) 04:29, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Does not meet general notability guidelines. Not reliable sources found in a Google search. Appears to be an autobiography with an obvious conflict of interest here. --ceradon ( talk  •  contribs ) 04:32, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It came to my attention that you are proposing to have wiki page, Zoran Dragelj deleted. It is stated that that I am "using it as a resume" and "Not a notable person, page is promotional/operating like his resume". From the info that was posted on that page it was noted that I am well established person in my field of work (both in video/cinema and visual arts) not only in my native Canada but worldwide, as well published and my work is exhibited internationally.
 * All my information is verifiable and well documented. Also in May 2009, I was elected as the first Alumni Association representative on the Emily Carr University Senate. I am currently serving my second term. I would like to share that my films and videos are distributed by La Videotheque Nomade Distribution in Brussels, archived with Europeana, the European Union’s virtual library for the preservations of cultural heritage, archived with GAMA (Gateway to Archives of Media Art) network and is featured in TransMediale’s (Berlin) permanent collection.
 * I would appreciate if you would consider Zoran Dragelj wiki page along with Celluloid Souls, and Aboriginal Kaleidoscope (especially this retrospective since it was first of it's kind internationally and it was significant for First Nations video and film artist) as it is keeping everyone working with me informed on all. Happy New Year, Yours Sincerely, Zoran
 * Here is a brief overview of my establishments: Education: 1993-97 Emily Carr Institute of Art & Design, Fine Arts diploma Film & Video 1998 Canadian Cinematography Workshop & Panavision Camera Course;1997 Academy of Canadian Cinema & Television, National Apprenticeship Program; 1993 Ailanthus Performing Center, Don Hunter, CSC Cinematography mentorship; 1992-93 Vancouver Art Gallery, Student Curator Program Selected Exhibits: 2014 20th Independent Arts Festival, Belgium; 2013 Contemporary Art Festival, Venice; Empty Space Project, Penn Station, NYC;2012 Retrospective, International Multimedia Festival, Myanmar;2011 Retrospective, Kulturhuset, Stockholm;2010 Absence of Art Gallery, Berlin; 2008 Optical Allusions, Pacific Cinematheque;2006 Retrospectives:Brunel University of West London, UK; Vierkante Zaal, Belgium/Holland;2005 Retrospective, Prato Gallery, Florence, Emily Carr Alumni Exhibition 80th Anniversary;2000 Cineworks Twenty Years of Independent Filmmaking in B.C. Grants/Awards/Scholarships:Canada Council Travel Grant (2014,2008,2005,2001);BC Arts Council Travel Grant (2005);Outreach Program: Canada Council Travel Grant (2004,2000);2002 BravoFACT video grant;1999 National Film Board grant;1997 Cascadia Festival Excellence Award;1996 Joseph Golland Up-and-Coming Filmmaker Award, ACTRA Curation/Workshops Created:Independent Showcase, toured Europe (2008,2004,2001);Aboriginal Kaleidoscope, toured Europe (2005,2000,1998);1998 Independent production workshop (Chapters), Crofton House School video instructor; 1997 Steveston Art Connection animation instructor; 1992-93 Then & Now, Vancouver Art Gallery Juries/Panels/Artist Talks:winning artist featurette, Renderyard online (2011,2009); 2011 Emily Carr Grad Show & Degree Exhibition Awards Juror, Saatchi Online Artist panelist;2003 film panelist, 28th Vrnjačka Banja Festival, Serbia;1997 King George Secondary Alumni Drama mentor Collaborations/Participations:2010-14 Cultch & Ignite Youth Festival;2009-15 Two-term Emily Carr Alumni Senator;1996-97 performance artists Tagny Duff; John G. Boehme; 1995 Judith Marcuse’s The Kiss Project Selected Press: 2012 Made In Canada documentary: profile; 2005 Gehman & Reinke, The Sharpest Point: Animation at the End of Cinema,YYZ Books; Rosso Fiorentino, Italy; Diario magazine, Flash Art magazine, Italy if you may require more info, please let me know and I will gladly send you all my CV and bio info. Zoran75 (talk) 18:02, 30 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment: Zoran, I will attempt to lay out to you as clearly as possible. As others have said, this reads like a resume since you've basically provided it to us word for word. WP:NOTABILITY is a key element of Wikipedia. You must be notable as deemed by significant third party sources, not because you believe you are. You have largely been the only editor who has edited the articles related to Zoran Dragelj, save for those that that have added minor changes such as categories. Given that you created this article in 2005 and have repeatedly attempted to stop its deletion, without anyone else contesting this deletion, should suggest to you that you do not in fact meet WP:N. For instance, your film Celluloid Souls, released in 1997 (which also has been nominated for deletion here) has 75 views on Youtube since you posted it in April 2007. This means you are averaging 10 views a year (two of which are my own in fact). This clearly does not qualify it as notable. Also, as a useful tip, use the 4 tildes (~) at the end of your comment rather than at the beginning, as you would in an "offline signature". I eat BC Fish (talk) 18:48, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Celluloid Souls was only recently added on YouTube as it is still in distribution via a number of theatrical and TV distributors (both in North America and Internationally) as well on couple other web streaming sites. All information provided is third party source and verifiable, nothing was made up by myself. Yes I have edited most of the info cause I wanted to keep it concise and to the point without any bias. My intention was never to keep Wikipedia page as a resume since I have LinkedIn page for it, just to present progress and developments to the international galleries, academia, exhibition and lecture halls where I am invited to present and discuss about my work. If you may require more info and insight what film retrospectives are, please let me know and I will gladly send you all my CV and bio information cause being archived with Europeana, the European Union’s virtual library for the preservations of cultural heritage, archived with GAMA (Gateway to Archives of Media Art) network and is featured in TransMediale’s (Berlin) permanent collection, along with citation in two books, one art film documentary is not a fluke, it's hard work for over 20 plus years in the field.Zoran75 (talk) 00:00, 31 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment "My intention was never to keep Wikipedia page as a resume since I have LinkedIn page for it, just to present progress and developments to the international galleries, academia, exhibition and lecture halls where I am invited to present and discuss about my work." - I think that is a useful endeavour but one for which Wikipedia is ill-suited. Wikipedia is not to be used as as an advertisement tool. I would suggest having your own website where you can provide such information for parties that are interested in it. While I congratulate you on your successful career, having a successful career is itself not particularly notable. Otherwise, every PEng, doctor, realtor or accountant with 20 years of experience would qualify for a Wikipedia article. In addition, your claim that the Celluloid Souls was only recently added to YouTube seems to significantly stretch the meaning of recently. It was added on April 15, 2007 to YouTube and has 78 views (it had 73 when I first clicked on it yesterday, and I've now clicked on it several times just to provide this information). In total, since your YouTube account was created on March 6, 2006 you have 26 subscribers who have viewed your entire selection of videos a combined 22,451 times. Given that short films appear to be your main interest, such numbers are extremely low to qualify for WP:N, especially given that the content is free and the films quite short. I have made my points several times. I am going to leave this discussion and debate to others in the Wikipedia community who are more experienced and informed on these matters. Cheers -- I eat BC Fish (talk) 01:13, 31 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak delete Zoran is not completely below the radar as some media has taken note. I did find THIS, but one media article does not a notability establish.   while your personal accomplishments are laudable, Wikipedia is not a who's who, nor a place to promote yourself. Read WP:COI and the related essay WP:Wikipedia is not about YOU. If your displayed works themselves receive commentary and analysis in independent reliable sources, you may be able to establish notability under WP:CREATIVE. If the purported awards are major enough, you may be able to establish notability under WP:ANYBIO... BUT Wikipedia is not a place to host your resume nor every moment of your life.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 21:57, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of British Columbia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:24, 2 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per lack of reliable source coverage. Simple existence is not an inclusion freebie on Wikipedia; notability is a factor of media coverage. No prejudice against recreation in the future if a properly sourced article can be written, but we are not a public relations database on which anybody is entitled to post an article about themselves without passing our inclusion and sourcing rules. Bearcat (talk) 23:10, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak delete, the lack of notability, along with the lack of RS, is unfortunately compounded by the mass of trivia in the article. Pincrete (talk) 02:49, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
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