Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zosia Karbowiak


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The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:21, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Zosia Karbowiak

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While I believe she has a great career ahead of her, unfortunately there appears to be a lack of significant coverage of her in reliable sources. None of the references in the article are reliable or independent, and while it appears that her songs charted on Polish radio, I couldn't find sources that confirm this. However, this is only a weak delete for me since she participated in the Eurovision Song Contest, which by itself should probably be enough to establish notability but for some reason I couldn't find reliable sources to prove this (only unreliable ones), and I'll happily withdraw this nomination if someone find reliable sources that I may have missed due to language issues or lack of precision in searching. Should this be kept, the article should probably be moved to "ZoSia Karbowiak" since it appears that her name has a capital S, although I'm not sure if that would comply with our Manual of Style, or to "ZoSia (singer)" since it appears that she uses that name professionally. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:06, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Because it has been confirmed that at least one of her songs or albums charted, I'm now leaning towards a weak keep, but I will let this AfD run its course pending more sources in any language. This is not to be taken as a withdrawal, however. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:37, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:10, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:10, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

We have worked very hard to obtain additional information, links and credibility. We are hoping to build this page over the next few years. I am hoping you will remove the mark for deletion and give this page a chance to exist. She is a brilliant song writer and lyricist and her career has only begun. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulhus15 (talk • contribs) 10:44, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I haven't yet investigated notability further, but can see that this singer is usually known professionally simply as "ZoSia", making searching exceedingly difficult as "Zosia" is a common Polish given name, and that it appears that she only participated in the competition to choose Poland's entry to the Eurovision Song contest, rather than the ESC itself. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:34, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. No refs stand out as obviously reliable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 18:50, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * When her career gets recognized in reliable sources, you are welcome to reintroduce this article. For now, I'd suggest userfying it to your userspace so you can work on it in the future without loosing what you've created so far. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 20:03, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep: There are corresponding articles in the Polish and Swedish Wikipedias. She has indeed charted in Poland, satisfying WP:MUSBIO. The article could definitely use some translation and Wikification, to say the least ... Faustus37 (talk) 02:23, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Checking her Polish and Swedish Wikipedia articles, none of the references appear to be reliable except for possibly this one (which might not be independent coverage, but I don't understand Polish and Google Translate is widely inaccurate so I can't be sure), and the rest of the links are not independent (such as links by Eurovision itself, or to official websites). But to be fair, the sourcing requirements for articles, even BLPs, is lower in other Wikipedias. Can someone check if tvp.pl is considered a reliable source? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:37, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It is a reliable website, but the bio doesn't make any claims for notability, other than stating she has published her first disc in the USA... So I think if we cannot find any English sources, she fails at notability. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:26, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, sources in any language are acceptable, as long as they meet the criteria of what defines a reliable source. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:29, 2 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Looks good to me. Just added infobox. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 03:25, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per making Polish charts, though reasons for original nomination were appropriate.--Milowent • hasspoken 14:12, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
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