Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zu Shenatir


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The result was   keep. j⚛e deckertalk 23:47, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Zu Shenatir

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Appears to fail WP:CRIMINAL. Quote from that guideline:

For perpetrators
 * 1) The victim of the crime is a renowned national or international figure, including, but not limited to, politicians or celebrities. Example: John Hinckley Jr..
 * 2) The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. Generally, historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role. Example: Seung-Hui Cho.

Nomination continued Given the above guideline, I think the subject of the article appears to fall short of qualifying for inclusion. Safiel (talk) 04:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:33, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:34, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:34, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:34, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. As a serial killer, the subject makes a strong claim at criterion #2. As one of the earliest documented serial killers in history, he makes an even stronger claim. A quick Google search gets plenty of book hits. • Gene93k (talk) 16:59, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GNG. This person and his crimes appear to have lasting notability 1,500 years later due to coverage in academic sources discussing serial killing, sex crimes, and crimes against homosexuals. The historical notability of his crimes pass WP:EVENT, but it makes more sense to title articles like these after the serial killer rather than the events. I would like to see a discussion about promoting the essay WP:MURDEROF to guideline status in that it does a much better job than WP:PERP and WP:VICTIM in cases like these. Location (talk) 20:36, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment by nominator I have read the essay above. I am reconsidering and may withdraw this, but I will let it go for another couple of days probably before doing so. Safiel (talk) 05:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. As one of the first recorded serial killers, I think he meets the notability threshold. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:27, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - one of the first recorded serial killers. notability reached.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:19, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.