Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zuleika (given name)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The article has been massively expanded since the AFD was filed. (non-admin closure) power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 18:03, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Zuleika (given name)

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The deletion writes itself. (Before the Peanut Gallery gets mad, you’ve got to be on bath salts to think is an acceptable method of reference. Trillfendi (talk) 21:17, 1 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment I would remind the nominator that article content does not determine notability - the fact that the article is currently poorly referenced is not a reason to delete it. I'm not familiar with AfD precedent regarding articles on names, but I'll note that this name at least meets the notability criteria suggested by Wikiproject Anthroponymy at WP:NNAME. Colin M (talk) 00:54, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You’re gonna be hard-pressed to find reliable sources for notability of the name itself. "But... somebody in the Bible had it!" isn’t sufficient. Trillfendi (talk) 01:01, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Two edits later, it is a perfectly valid set index article. Bakazaka (talk) 02:26, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * And yet the "reference" is 3 words inside of a ref tag. Next y’all are gonna say Babynames.com, Nameberrg, and BabyCenter are reasonable. Trillfendi (talk) 02:55, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Feel free to remove that claim and reference if they bother you, as it makes no difference one way or the other to a set index article. By the same token, your deletion rationale does not apply to a set index article. Bakazaka (talk) 03:00, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:NNAME states that "A name article usually contains either a list of entries that link to other articles or a wikilink to a list article. If at least two articles matching the surname or given name of the subject of a name article do not exist, then the surname or given name list article would not be notable and should not be created." English Wikipedia has 12 articles about real people named Zuleika (or a variant thereof), as well as 4 other Zuleika articles about books, films or musicals. That's not including the biblical Zuleika. (I realise that is an essay not a policy, but I have seen AfD rationales saying that there are no notable people with a name, so an article on the name is not needed, so it appears that consensus is following the essay on names that are otherwise not well referenced.) I have added two sources for the origin and meaning of the name, and many more could be found (there is no need for websites about first names when there are many published books from reputable publishers). RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:17, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. The book, film, musical belong on the main dab page, but that still leaves plenty of people and fictional characters with the name. There are a zillion other given name lists, so why is this one being singled out? Me leika. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:58, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Page history exists.... But all of a sudden, just as I suspected, random "baby name" books that give absolutely no meaning, definition, or depth to a name, only providing a modicum and fragment of trivia, are being use to mitigate the of dearth of sources. Trillfendi (talk) 14:16, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Collins, Random House and Oxford University Press are not "random" publishers. They give what meaning is known. As the previous editor says, why is this name list singled out, of all the many on Wikipedia? If there were no notable people with the name, it might make sense to delete it, but that is not the case here. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:26, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * No one said the publishers were random. I definitely said book. "Perfect Babies’ Names"? Meaning unknown? Come on now. Trillfendi (talk) 15:56, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you want them to make the meaning up? And what does the title of a reference book have to do with keeping the list article? We could delete that reference and add another with a title you approve of, of course. Does the title A Dictionary of First Names meet with your approval? Or are you requiring a book with the title A List of Zuleikas, or The Name Zuleika? Since you didn't actually give a deletion rationale, it's not clear what you think the problem with the article is. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:49, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Sam Sailor 08:15, 3 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. Perfectly normal given name article with a long index of articles about women with that name or variants thereof. A few more sources and a bit about origin was added. Since nom fails to advance any argument for deletion, and nobody else has !voted "delete", this discussion may be closed as speedy keep under WP:SK1. Sam Sailor 10:09, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep and note that User:Trillfendi must indeed be on bath salts (drug) to consider this an acceptable deletion nomination. Please stop nominating so many articles when you clearly don’t understand the criteria. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 02:25, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * When I nominated the article it looked like this with no actual citations. If that’s an acceptable "article" to you, regardless of the subject, then oh well. I don’t care what random people have the name (not that there’s even an actual policy for it), a name is notable when there are reliable sources for its history (and it’s not saying U.S. census). Learn how to read or use a history page before you come at me. Trillfendi (talk) 03:21, 4 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Keep comment writes itself. Bogger (talk) 10:36, 5 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.