Wikipedia:Barnstar and award proposals/The Resilient Barnstar

The Resilient Barnstar


The Resilient Barnstar is awarded to those who boldly but respectfully make their differing opinions heard in discussions, learn and improve from criticisms, or merely dare to make a difference for the better in the Wikipedia community. Recipients of this Barnstar never let mistakes or blunders impede their growth as Wikipedians, are always ready to contribute whenever it is fit, and have the ability to recover/finish with a smile. What do you think? ^_^ Sango  123  20:00, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Great idea. If we have an award for newcommers, then we can have a "Most Improved Wikipedian" award. Zscout370 (talk) 20:05, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * We do have the Exceptional Newcomer Award, but I like the idea of a barnstar for a person who is always nice, courteous and polite, and the Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar wouldn't seem appropriate. The image is good, though I'd stray away from the background a bit. Bratsche talk random 20:39, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * I got a barnstar idea for the idea you came up with Brat, but I think that this one right here, if you get rid of the background, it will look like the The Editor's Barnstar or The Surreal Barnstar. I think the background should stay. Zscout370 (talk) 20:49, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * I cleaned up the background. Though the Resilient Barnstar does bear resemblance to The Editor's Barnstar or The Surreal Barnstar, as mentioned by Zscout370, I think the inverted shading sets it somewhat apart. Sango  123  21:49, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Alright, I like this one. What does everyone else think? Zscout370 (talk) 21:56, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Mmm, I think it looks too much like the Editor's/Surreal stars. What about a different color, say, purple or orange? Bratsche talk random 22:06, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * How about green (green for growth). Zscout370 (talk) 22:08, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * That's a great idea, Zscout370! But let's consider these options first. Sango  123  22:21, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Let me get some Lifesavers before I do. Zscout370 (talk) 22:41, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * I like the orange and the green. But is this award for user growth? I thought it was like a respectful/talk page barnstar.
 * Actually, Zscout, I think they look more like lollipop heads. Bratsche talk random 23:00, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * The award is for growth, since the user "bounces back" and "learn and improve from criticisms." Whoever receives this do not "let mistakes or blunders impede their growth as Wikipedians." Zscout370 (talk) 23:05, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Cool. I vote green, then. The name's good, too. Bratsche talk random 23:11, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. Wikipedians who receive this Barnstar experience growth and have the ability to recover/finish with a smile (inspiring attitude, sanguine souls, etc.). While on the topic of "sanguine", should the red Resilient Barnstar also be an option since "sanguine" refers to both being optimistic and of the color red? Sango  123  23:19, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * A brighter red might work better for that idea. Sango  123  23:19, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * You lost me, but ok. Zscout370 (talk) 23:23, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, all I know is that sanguine stems from the Latin word for blood. Maybe this would not be the best choice? Bratsche talk random 23:25, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Let's just stick with the original reasoning/criteria and the green color, since that is something we all agree on. I can try to get Redux, Riff, Clockwork and others in on this so we can have another Vote or Die session. Zscout370 (talk) 23:28, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks! ^_^ Sango  123  23:30, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I'm new to this discussion, but here's what I think: First, if I had to pick one of the images proposed thus far, I'd go with Sango123's version of the original image but without a background. But if I may suggest, maybe we could go beyond just coloring the Barnstar, maybe we could make something (in the shape of a Barnstar, of course) that evokes resilience (maybe something highly resistant but very maleable at the same time, such as aluminium). Second, and I'm in doubt about this: the adjective "resilient" is in reference to the "always finishing with a smile in one's face" or to maintaining one's opinion and making it heard, as it was put? Because if it's about one's ability to always finish graciously, even if one was wrong or had to concede to someone else, which would mean that one didn't really "maintain the previous shape", as "resilient" is described in dictionaries ("shape" here being a metaphor for "opinion"), it would be perhaps better to call it "The Enlightened Barnstar", or something, which would make reference to one's constant search of personal growth, which propels a constant openess to reviewing one's views and opinions. I got a little confused with the final part of Sango's original proposal for the scope, which makes reference to not allowing mistakes hinder growth. Maybe I'm overthinking this. Regards, Redux 05:32, 1 May 2005 (UTC) Thanks for a long-awaited response! :D The image to the right is about as cast iron-like as I can get it. But for "resilience", which metal is better suited? Sango 123  19:34, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Nah, you are not over thinking this. I agree with Redux that trying to award people with POV issues might go against Wikipedia polcies. Maybe we should drop that part of the award criteria and just keep with the idea that this Barnstar should be awarded to those who do not let mistakes hinder their growth. I am still sticking with the green star design, for right now, though I think a design that looks like a rubber band could be better. Zscout370 (talk) 14:21, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[[Image:Resilient_Barnstar.png|frame|Aluminum (Sango123)]]
 * I crossed out the parts in the proposal that deal with the POV issues. I couldn't draw the rubber band design suggested by Zscout, but here's a possible image along the lines of Redux's aluminum theme. Or maybe we could create another design that keeps the green star but adds a vine or plant entwined around it to further designate growth. Sango  123  15:32, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * I like Sango's strong metal look, though perhaps I'd like it to look more like iron (specifically, cast iron). In spite of its tendancy to rust, I still think of iron as a symbol of strength and resilience. :-) --Deathphoenix 14:05, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Aluminum - Structural components made from aluminium are vital to the aerospace industry and very important in other areas of transportation and building in which light weight, durability, and strength are needed.
 * Iron - Iron is the most used of all the metals, comprising 95 percent of all the metal tonnage produced worldwide. Its combination of low cost and high strength make it indispensable, especially in applications like automobiles, the hulls of large ships, and structural components for buildings.

Ah, thanks, Sango. I like the look of cold, hard iron. --Deathphoenix 05:41, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Changing concepts again, how about a bonsai plant, a bouncing Barnstar ball, or Barnstar-on-a-spring? (SEWilco 05:08, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC))


 * The bonsai plant might be a little too obscure for people to get, but maybe you could rig up something for the latter two so we could have a look at them? --Deathphoenix 04:27, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No new images have been proposed for 17 days. Should we open a Vote or Die and accept one of the existing images? Sango 123  June 30, 2005 16:13 (UTC)


 * Good idea. It's been a while. --Deathphoenix 1 July 2005 00:13 (UTC)

Vote or die!
Okay ladies and germs, we've all done this before. I've put in the images that you seemed to prefer, but as always, if you want to vote on anything else, just enter it into a blank table cell. No real deadline; we'll just continue until we reach a clear consensus. I think we all agree on Resilient Barnstar, right? --Deathphoenix 1 July 2005 00:13 (UTC)

Proposal
Shall we accept this? Sango 123  July 5, 2005 21:14 (UTC)
 * Yes. Looks good to me. --Deathphoenix 5 July 2005 21:19 (UTC)
 * I agree. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 6 July 2005 19:29 (UTC)
 * Then I'll move this to the main Barnstar page in a couple of hours. Sango  123  July 7, 2005 16:26 (UTC)