Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/MenoBot II


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MenoBot II
Operator:

Time filed: 12:15, Saturday December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Automatic, Supervised, or Manual: Automatic

Programming language(s): AutoWikiBrowser

Source code available: Standard AWB

Function overview: Mass maintenance templates tagging of newly created articles and doing general fixes on the fly

Links to relevant discussions (where appropriate):

Edit period(s): Daily

Estimated number of pages affected: Several hundred articles per day.

Exclusion compliant (Yes/No): Yes

Already has a bot flag (Yes/No): No

Function details: Mass maintenance templates tagging of articles (working on Special:NewPages) using AWB auto mode. I have been doing such edits for a while using my main account. I am waiting for permission to make a trial run. --Meno25 (talk) 12:15, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Discussion
Doesn't the function fall under WP:CONTEXTBOT or WP:COSMETICBOT. -- Ankit Maity Talk Contribs 08:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see how it falls under either. It's clearly not cosmetic since it's adding tags, nor is it something that's really context-sensitive. Something is either categorized or uncategorized. Etc. Legoktm (talk) 08:53, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you provide a list of templates you plan on adding/modifying? Thanks, Legoktm (talk) 08:53, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * orphan, underlinked, uncategorized, dead end, ibid, empty section, uncategorized stub, stub. See full details here. --Meno25 (talk) 09:06, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, damn it. I forgot the categories. -- Ankit Maity Talk Contribs 15:00, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Question: Special:NewPages reminds us "Don't bite the newcomers: cleanup tagging within minutes of creation can discourage new users." Approximately how long would an article exist before being tagged by your bot?  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 21:10, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Suggestion: Please wait until the new AWB SVN is released, so the edit summaries for underlinked and dead end will be correct. (see Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs/Archive 21) Hopefully this will be in the next few days.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 21:19, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * @Question: I plan to work every day on the articles created the day before. Also, I will use the Toolserver to generate lists of pages to work on.
 * @Suggestion: That's not a problem. I will compile and use the HEAD revision of AWB. --Meno25 (talk) 21:35, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding! GoingBatty (talk) 01:40, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I support the bot request. Meno25 compiles AWB's latest revision by themselves so they will always be up-to-date. They are a regular bug reporter too. Also to remind that similar tasks have been approved in the past: Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 11, Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 13. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:12, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

 MBisanz  talk 14:59, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I added a request for my bot to use AWB. --Meno25 (talk) 15:13, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅  MBisanz  talk 16:53, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

OK. First 50 edits. Since the trial is limited by number of days and not edits, I will keep doing more edits in the next days. Tell me if you want me to stop. --Meno25 (talk) 17:49, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Feel free to transfer this note to the talk page. Yesterday or today MenoBot II tagged a fair number of our new gastropod species stubs as orphans, when in fact all of the species were already linked from the genus page. Can this be fixed? Invertzoo (talk) 13:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * If you mean articles such as Cyclostrema prominulum, the links were added to Cyclostrema after my bot's edit. At the time of tagging there was zero incoming links to the page, so tagging is correct. --Meno25 (talk) 13:53, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, now I see what you mean. The editor who added all the extra species to that genus article did not say that in the edit history, so I misunderstood the history of the article. Invertzoo (talk) 14:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Does it really have to tag a page that's already been tagged for speedy deletion (in this case G7)? Also, request above states that the bot will be tagging a day old articles so as not to bite new editors but the (now deleted) article from my diff was created only a few hours ago today. -- KTC (talk) 13:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I was test running it on all new pages. Sorry about that. I will also set it to bypass all pages tagged with CSD templates. --Meno25 (talk) 13:55, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I think CSD should be tagged as well. A CSD can be declined and the stubs can stay. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:42, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Is it possible for the bot to ignore speedy tagged article but revisit it the next run/day and tag(s) if speedy were declined? -- KTC (talk) 00:46, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I prefer to run the bot on every page only once. This is to avoid engaging in an edit war in case an edit was wrong and another user had to revert it. --Meno25 (talk) 09:23, 7 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The page at Mobility triangles is starting to look a bit overtagged. In particular, this bot added both and  - surely that's redundant? --Noiratsi (talk) 14:52, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I reported this bug already yesterday. Please see Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs. Waiting for AWB devs to solve this. --Meno25 (talk) 15:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Are you planning to use your bot to replace end box → s-end (or bypass any other template-redirect which AWB sometimes asks you to do)? There is currently no consensus on that issue. How are you planning on circumventing that problem? If you don't your bot will be blocked within one week or less. Thank you. Mr T  (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 15:40, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You're a bit overreacting on that issue IMO. If there is no consensus on that issue (I haven't bothered reading that monster yet, probably should), wouldn't the status quo be to continue bypassing template redirects as long as a substantial edit was being made (in this case adding tags)? Legoktm (talk) 15:46, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree I am reacting to anything here, Legoktm. I simply asked a question. The amazing fact to note here is that you took part in a discussion (where you're not so clearly in favor of bypassing ether) where (admin) quite explicitly warned me against such bypassing and indicated one might have to undergo disciplinary measures.  Mr T  (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 16:03, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Apologizes if I overspoke. Actually that's not what I said/meant/believed. I said (on your talk) that making an edit solely to bypass a redirect (template or link) was a bad idea. If the bot/human/sentient life-form is making a substantial edit at the same time (as this bot is) then bypassing template redirects at the same time should be fine. Legoktm (talk) 18:59, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

If requested, I can disable general fixes and do only tagging. I am just waiting for the resolution of the bug I reported above and I will make another test run taking into account all the comments above. Thank you. --Meno25 (talk) 15:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Other bots do general fixes too. The only issue to solve is the underlinked/deadend taging. You must always have the latest revision of AWB available. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:22, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Bug fixed. Since rev 8782 underlinked/dead end tags are mutually excluded. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:13, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Feel free to run another trial.  MBisanz  talk 01:48, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

OK. Second run. working today (7 December) on artciles created on 5 December. The bot was set to bypass CSD templates. Regarding general fixes, I kept them because I think they are useful. --Meno25 (talk) 09:49, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I believe that all points mentioned above have been addressed, so, can I have this BRFA approved? --Meno25 (talk) 09:29, 11 December 2012 (UTC)


 *  MBisanz  talk 06:25, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


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