Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Category:London River Crossings

The following discussion comes from Categories for deletion. This is an archive of the discussion only; please do not edit this page. -Kbdank71 17:35, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Round 2

 * This category was listed for renaming on January 17, 2005. There was no clear consensus to support/oppose this action. Therefore, the category has been left as is for now.

There's a strong convention of "Bridges in Foo" for categories. Something needs to be done about Category:London River Crossings; Category:Bridges_in_London also exists. There are a small number of non-bridges in the former, though, including tunnels and a ferry. In contrast, the Holland Tunnel is under Category:Transportation in New York City and Category:Tunnels and Template:NYC Hudson River crossings. I propose putting bridges only in Category:Bridges_in_London, deleting Category:London River Crossings and putting the rest of its contents in Category:Transport_in_London. If kept, it needs to be renamed Category:London river crossings or more preferably, Category:River crossings in London. (This is a re-nomination since the first one was confused and didn't resolve.) -- Beland 06:14, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - it seems to me that bridges and tunnels should go together (at least when those tunnels are under rivers). In theory we'd have Bridges in foo and Tunnels in foo, but there often aren't enough tunnels for that. For instance, Florida has one major road or rail tunnel (New River Tunnel, plus several minor ones in Walt Disney World). I've categorized it into Category:Bridges in Florida, since it can be thought of as a bridge where water goes over a road. It's also listed in the National Bridge Inventory. --SPUI 00:02, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Do you agree to renaming to Category:River crossings in London, at least (lowercase naming conventions)? -Aranel (" Sarah ") 03:15, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * That would solve some of the problems. But one thing that no-one here seems to have mentioned is that not all bridges cross rivers. And neither do all tunnels. The Macclesfield Bridge crosses Regent's Canal, the Serpentine Bridge crosses a lake, and the Hyde Park Corner Underpass goes under a road - all in central London. Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 10:48, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I think I would prefer to merge both categories into one, with the name Category:Bridges and tunnels in London. Eugene van der Pijll 20:36, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Round 3

 * The category was re-listed on February 6, 2005 but still no clear consensus was reached.

See below. The "river crossings" category is an exact duplicate of the "bridges" category, except that it also contains tunnels. The consensus below seemed to be that "river crossings" is not very useful because not all bridges and tunnels actually cross rivers. -Aranel (" Sarah ") 23:57, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think that is actually a reason why it is useful. Philip 19:15, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Hm. Philip might just have a point there. Perhaps this category could be kept (vote: weak keep). But it definitely needs renaming. These are not crossings of the London River. Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 23:10, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * How about Category:River crossings in London? --JuntungWu 16:20, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Category:Bridges in London and Category:London River Crossings
These should be merged, but Category:London River Crossings is confusing. I recommend Category:Bridges and tunnels in London, kicking the lone ferry to Category:Transport in London, and making the merged category also a child thereof. (Thanks to Willmcw who noticed this issue slipping through the cracks.) -- Beland 05:38, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge. I like the new cat name. -Kbdank71 14:27, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed Wincoote 19:57, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Bridges and tunnels in London. The name is more specific. Zzyzx11 02:36, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. We were very nearly agreed to go ahead with this move once before. -Aranel (" Sarah ") 02:48, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: the Woolwich Ferry is officially a street - so presumably a bridge since it does not go underwater - Transport for London put one of their Streets logos on it rather than their River logos --Henrygb 01:55, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * It can be moved to the London history category in a few years anyway. Wincoote 22:52, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Am I missing something? How can a ferry service possibly be considered a "street"? --Azkar 20:04, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)