Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Category:Palestinian children killed by Israelis

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Category:Palestinian children killed by Israelis
21 votes; 17 delete, 4 keep. Category deleted. -[[User:Aranel|Aranel (" Sarah ")]] 23:16, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Inherently POV; created to extend the Israel-Arab conflict into Wikipedia. Jayjg 00:59, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * "Extend into"? Too late; already here. --Gary D 10:21, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * How is this not NPOV? Maybe not a good choice for a category - I agree that "Killed in Intifadah II" would be a more inclusive category - covering both Israelis and Palestinians - but I don't see how this is inherently not NPOV.  Guettarda 19:00, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Delete, as Israel does NOT have a policy of killing Palestinian children. Many more innocent Israelis are deliberately mudered by suicide bombers in this civil war known as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. IZAK 03:11, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, created out of a political agenda. If a category must exist, it should be something more NPOV like "Victims of the Arab-Israeli Conflict". --MPerel 03:38, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Nominator's POV is the problem, not the category. These editors don't see any inherent POV in categories and articles like Category:Palestinian terrorists, Category:Terrorism and violence against Israel, Category:Palestinian suicide bombers, List of massacres committed during the Al-Aqsa Intifada, Violence against Israelis, Palestinian terrorism, Partial list of Palestinian terrorist acts, Female suicide bomber, Child suicide bomber, Terrorism against Israel in 2000, Terrorism against Israel in 2001, Terrorism against Israel in 2002, Terrorism against Israel in 2003, Terrorism against Israel in 2004, etc? It appears that the inherent bias is among Zionist editors on Wikipedia. --Alberuni 05:27, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Alberuni, your arguments against Jayjg here don't hold water IMHO, by being significantly out of context. The reason is that his user page lists, for example, the "Partial list..." and the "Terrorism against..." categories as "Articles created solely for the purpose of promoting a political POV". BACbKA 07:33, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Delete. Possibly merge into another, broader category, as suggested above.  -Sean Curtin 05:29, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Forget that this names Palestinians or Israelis and focus on the underlying concept.  What nation or nationality someone has been killed by is simply not an appropriate basis for a category.  Postdlf 06:17, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. I have no objection to an article (or even a category) about Israeli violence against Palestinian civilians, but this is a category of tiny articles that are bound to remain tiny, as the vast majority of eight-year-olds have done nothing worthy of having their own encyclopedia article. I'm not going to go call for deletion of the articles, but given the length of the two I looked at in detail, they might do better all lumped into one article... Mpolo 07:46, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Same reasons as Mpolo. BACbKA 23:23, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Delete. Inaccurate category name. --Viriditas  | Talk 08:17, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * delete, I'm inclined to think we should keep this, we might just as easily have a list of American children killed by the British in Colonial America, because the (assumed) 'fact' that "the British government didn't 'have a policy of killing American children' " wouldn't be a good reason to exclude a list of such. The creation of this category might be appropriate for wikiprojetct:Lists of all children of nation x by persons of nationality y and I wouldn't oppose it as part of a larger effort.  However, the problem with this category is that omitting its sister categories would be a POV issue and on that basis, I'm weighing in against it. Pedant 10:46, 2004 Dec 12 (UTC)
 * delete categorize as 'Killed in the Second Intifadah'. gidonb  11:35, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep and Rename 'Killed in the second Intifadah' (see my comment above). Guettarda 19:00, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep - Xed 20:59, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. &rarr;Raul654 21:48, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Duh.  Tendentious category name.  Vast majority killed unintentionally during military operations.  Could just as easily have category named "Algerian children killed by Frenchmen" (in Algerian War of Independence) or "Chechen children killed by Russians".  Both would be created to prove a point, not to help users of Wikipedia find and classify information, which is what categories are for. A2Kafir 23:36, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree with MPerel. -gadfium (talk) 23:58, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: DCEdwards1966 00:44, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, it fails to mention that the children's blood was used to make matzos and doesn't include William of Norwich.  &larr;Humus sapiens&larr;Talk 11:00, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Dryazan 23:10, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep: Assuming the lists are correct, why not have this information in the wikipedia? The fact people will argue over it is not a reason to not include it. No-one has suggested another name for this category. What is wrong with "Algerian children killed by the French",  "Chechen children killed by Russians",  "Israeli children killed by Palesinians", etc? War is horrible. It has a devastating effect on children, and the families of children who are killed.  Wikipedia should not cower from those facts.  Should we remove "Victims of 9/11"? After all, that could be argued to have been "created to extend the Neo-conservative/Al Quaeda conflict into Wikipedia", no?
 * OTOH, I take User:Mpolo's point, but for comparison, do we have 9/11 victim articles? What about deaths in the Iraq war?
 * User:pedant: That's a weak argument. We wouldn't have an encyclopedia at all if it were followed to its logical conclusion. Mr. Jones 21:17, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Same reasons as Mpolo. One article should be sufficient for a list. -Willmcw 08:38, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)