Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Fair games

Category:Fair games listed for deletion on January 18, 2005. Consensus was to delete. RedWolf 05:48, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

There is not even a fair game article, and the only thing included in the category is chess, which I have never heard refered to as a "fair game". I don't think the concept really exists.--Sonjaaa 10:18, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * (not a vote) This is a real concept in mathematical game theory, see for example . On the other hand, I don't see any particular reason this specific attribute of games warrants a category. -- Rick Block 14:53, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * (This is also not a vote.) This may exist by analogy to Category:Unfair games, which did survive being listed for deletion (barely), although some qualms were expressed about the general state of the game-related categories. -Aranel (" Sarah ") 19:25, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Fair games aren't very interesting: Chess is one, i think, if you decide who moves first by flipping a (fair!) coin. Otherwise the only justification is that no one is sure whether its the first or second player who could force a win.

If category:Unfair games is in category: Games, then theoretically all the games not in there are "fair". But it's not a term normally used for them, and I don;'t think there's any need for this particular category. I think this one is, erm, fair game for deletion. Grutness|hello? 22:52, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Since there is no fair game article, we have no basis on which to categorize them as such. Buried under mathematical game theory does not save this category. RedWolf 01:07, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. A valid concept, which should have its own article. The fact that it doesn't is a reason to make that article, not to delete this category. --SPUI 01:14, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * My point is, without the article, we have no basis to categorize such articles. Also, wouldn't most games be fair and unfair the exception? Seems to be unnecessary categorization. RedWolf 02:08, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not useful as a category. I'm pretty sure the only "fair" games are almost purely chance because perfect play must result in a win for a specific player, or a draw, depending on the game. At the very least, chess does not belong in this category because it just hasn't been solved yet, and most players agree that white has an advantage due to having the first move.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 02:17, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)