Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Muslims

Category:Muslims was listed for deletion on December 1, 2004 but no consensus seems to have been reached at this point. RedWolf 18:05, Jan 15, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Muslims
Rename to Category:Muslim people, to parallel our decision on moving "Christians" to "Christian people". - Beland 08:35, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

P.S. The correct form should be Category:Islamic people and not "Muslim people". IZAK 13:16, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I started this change, and I support following through with it. --Gary D 23:00, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)


 * Delete. It is not easy to determine how "Muslim" the majority of famous Muslim people were, any attempts to do so here will be inevitably POV, and it is both arbitrary and racist to group together people merely on the basis of their perceived beliefs. Also, importantly, such a category violates the general guidelines at Categorization of people. -- Simonides 10:58, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep or change to "Muslim/Islamic people" as it is all quite straightforward and NO Wikipedia guidelines are being "violated". IZAK 13:16, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete and move to "Muslim people" (or whatever). This is a useful category. It does not contain every single person mentioned in Wikipedia who has been identified as Muslim. It's useful to group together people who are known specifically because they are Muslims, especially Muslim religious leaders. If you don't think the ones who aren't Muslim leaders should be included, it might be more useful to list those specific sub-categories for deletion and see what people have to say. -Aranel (" Sarah ") 15:08, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Change to 'Muslim people' - This is the correct form. 'Islamic' is used for objects i.e. 'Islamic art'; 'Muslim' is used for people i.e. 'Muslim artists'. Clubmarx 20:20, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)
 * Ok, if you are certain, fine, but I just wanted to mention that the word "Islamic" is also used. IZAK 10:07, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep and do not rename. Adding "people" is unneccessary since there is nothing ambiguous about the term "Muslim" that would indicate anything other than a categorization of people. --MPerel 17:40, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep as "Muslims". MPerel is right. Jayjg 21:16, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep and don't change. Muslims are muslims. Not a people, but do they refer to themselves as a community (ummah). Stop comparing everything to Christians! Other people, religions and cultures do exist on our planet! gidonb  11:26, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Not sure yet. I don't understand why "Christians" was moved to "Christian people". Could you please provide a link to that discussion?--Erri4a 20:21, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Rename as "Muslim (or Islamic) People". Either that or move "Christian people" back to "Christians". Irrespective of differences between different religions, it makes sense to treat the categorisation of all religious groups consistently. Same with Jewish people, Wiccan people, Animist people and followers of whatever other religious discipline you wish to name. Grutness hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|30px|]] 11:51, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep The category name should maintain its original title. Muslims refer to themselves as Muslims. I think that Christian people should be renamed to Christians. People within a particular religion are best defined by the way they refer to themselves. Hence, Jews, Muslims, Christians. It wouldn't make sense, for example, to call Jews - Judaic people. As far as deletion all together, the category is very useful as categories on other religions are as well. Regarding the concern about how "Muslim" the majority of famous Muslims are, some Muslims are more religious than others as with other religions. He also wrote that it is "racist to group together people merely on the basis of their perceived beliefs." Well, this is being done with other religions. For example, the entry entitled List of Jews clearly states: "It also does not take into account whether those listed acknowledge their Jewish identity or origins. Many listed here may have spent their lives ignoring or even actively disguising their Jewish origins, and married gentile (non-Jewish) spouses." My point is this is how Jews define themselves, and most people accept such definitions. So, if Muslims define themselves in different ways than that should be sufficient as well. I added a paragraph on the top of List of Muslims, so that others who are non-Muslim understand the complexity of those who identify themselves as Muslim. I personally don't like certain people listed as Muslims but surprise, not all Muslims are the same. --JuanMuslim June 28, 2005 12:32 (UTC)