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Category:Users who drives an Isuzu Axiom

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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * users who drives an isuzu axiom


 * Delete as I doubt anyone but him actually drives one of these. Nardman1 00:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Other items created by this user up for deletion here and here Nardman1 02:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete this user who started this template was indefinitely blocked the same day he created this. AniMate 02:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Del per nom's research. &mdash; RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 14:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Terrorists by nationality

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The result of the debate was Keep.. Hemlock Martinis 01:23, 15 April 2007 (UTC) terrorists
 * terrorists by nationality
 * american terrorists
 * austrian terrorists
 * british terrorists
 * canadian terrorists
 * chechen terrorists
 * colombian terrorists
 * cuban terrorists
 * dutch terrorists
 * egyptian terrorists
 * french terrorists
 * german terrorists
 * greek terrorists
 * indian terrorists
 * indonesian terrorists
 * italian terrorists
 * jamaican terrorists
 * japanese terrorists
 * lebanese terrorists
 * malaysian terrorists
 * moroccan terrorists
 * pakistani terrorists
 * russian terrorists
 * saudi arabian terrorists
 * somali terrorists
 * spanish terrorists
 * sri lankan terrorists
 * united arab emirati terrorists


 * Added Category:Terrorists per request -- Cat chi? 10:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom. Baristarim 23:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all These people need to be grouped together, just like any other occupational group. AshbyJnr 23:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Convince me that this is an occupation. Vegaswikian 01:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Suicide bombing is really a one time/day only experience. That surely cant be a job. :) -- Cat chi? 17:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all subjective category.--Jersey Devil 23:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep all The Category:Terrorists contains the WP definition of terrorist which can used for any article being placed in these categories. Elimination of the categories will not make the terrorists go away, but it will sure help keep them undercover. Terrorists are well known in current affairs and need to be identified as such. Hmains 03:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Huh? The what? You can still mention who considers who a terrorist on there respective articles. Wikipedia is not Interpol. -- Cat chi? 17:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If the articles are true and the contents of the aticles acceptable for WP, why not categories? In all cases in WP, categories have the purpose of grouping similar articles together.  Why make exceptions here? Hmains 02:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Also this is not about a belief or intent, it is about people categorized by their criminal action as seen by the criminal category to which this category belongs. Hmains 15:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Categories appear without annotations, so be careful of NPOV when creating or filling categories. Unless it is self-evident and uncontroversial that something belongs in a category, it should not be put into a category. A list might be a better option. from Categorization. Thats why. -- Cat chi? 10:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * We can have a category for people who have been convicted as terrorists in a court, that would be a perfectly valid, objective criterion which I doubt anyone would oppose. Also, in articles we can (and should) write that "such and such considers ... a terrorist", and that is perfectly fine and NPOV. A single category, or indeed any reasonable number of categories, cannot convey this properly. At best we'd need something like "People who are considered terrorists by someone", and then sure enough, we'll end with Bush, Saddam, Mao Ze Dong and God knows who else there very soon. -- int19h 13:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep all - please, there is no need to be PC about this. This is a very useful category. One might argue that it's too subjective, but a perusal of the subjects shows no such problems. Patstuarttalk·edits 02:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Al-quida delcared George W. Bush a terrorist. Should he be in that category? -- Cat chi? 09:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Like I said, the so far mentioned ones aren't controversial. George Bush would be in that category controversially. By your reasoning, we should include Christians under the category Category:Judaism because it claims to be the "true Judaism". Sorry, PC won't work here. Patstuarttalk·edits 22:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It may be non-controversial to you and me (that he isn't classified as terrorist) but I am sure lots of people in the middle east - especially in Iraq might disagree. I know nothing about Christianity - Judaism dispute so I can't comment there. -- Cat chi? 10:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, as always. If these categories survive, I propose a two-month ban on nominations of these categories for deletion. We can't keep having no consensus result of the same debate every two weeks.--Mike Selinker 07:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all - per nom SatuSuro 09:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, WP:JUSTAVOTE. Can we get a reason? Patstuarttalk·edits 22:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all as essential primary defining categories, as per all the previous discussions on these categories. Piccadilly 09:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as necessary subdivision of Category:Terrorists Note that Terrorists by nationality is a natural subdividing scheme for Category:Terrorists. The questions of subjectivity in the definition of what is or isn't a terrorist need to be dealt with at that parent category's level, not in this subdivision.  Note that Category:Terrorists has gone through multiple cfd reviews and is still here.  So until such time as that category is actually removed, this by-nationality subdivision is needed. Dugwiki 16:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If this is deleted that one will also go. I am sorry, I did not scan every artile of the usage of terrorist related categories and missed that one. -- Cat chi? 10:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Dugwiki. Terrorists by nationality isn't any more subjective than Category:Terrorists, and since that's still around (and not included in this nomination), no reason to delete by nationality categories. Mairi 22:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all, the entire category is too subjective, and any addition to it is inherently POV. This naturally applies to all subcats. Also note that there is an ongoing dispute on some inclusions in the category, so its present content is certainly not uncontroversial. What we need instead is something like "People convicted of terrorism", and possibly "People recognized as terrorists by one or more states". Just like we got rid of the "War criminals" category in favour of "People convicted of war crimes". -- int19h 13:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as per all the previous discussions. Only a small fraction of terrorists are ever convicted. I don't believe Osama bin Laden has been convicted for example, and he probably never will be. Honbicot 20:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * True, but what other objective criterion can we use for a category? -- int19h 06:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Organisations in Gloucestershire

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The result of the debate was rename Category:Organisations in Gloucestershire to Category:Organisations based in Gloucestershire. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Organisations in Gloucestershire to Category:Organisations based in Gloucestershire
 * Nominator's Rationale:
 * Rename per nom. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Organisations in Hampshire

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The result of the debate was merge Category:Organisations in Hampshire into Category:Organisations based in Hampshire. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Organisations in Hampshire to Category:Organisations based in Hampshire


 * Merge in line with the convention that organisations are categorised by where they are based, not to all places where they operate. Hawkestone 19:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Prisoners currently under death sentence

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The result of the debate was merge Category:Prisoners currently under death sentence to Category:Prisoners sentenced to death. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Prisoners currently under death sentence to Category:Prisoners sentenced to death


 * Merge. There are only 4 articles in the awkwardly-titled Category:Prisoners currently under death sentence, and any differences in the prisoners' legal status aren't readily apparent. Strangerer (Talk) 18:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge. The user who made this probably just didn't know about the other category. — coe l acan — 18:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge with the same AGF Coelacan pointed out. &mdash; RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 19:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Theta Delta Chi brothers

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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * theta delta chi brothers


 * Delete - We already decided not to use this categorization scheme. I can cut and paste my previous comments if necessary.  Dr. Submillimeter 18:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Piccadilly 09:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Choalbaton 20:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Hawaiian culture

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The result of the debate was rename Category:Hawaiian culture to Category:Hawaii culture. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * hawaiian culture


 * Rename to Category:Hawaii culture - The category should be renamed to patch the other categories for culture in U.S. states. Note that "Hawaiian" in this case refers to the state and not the ethnic group, as the category contains articles that are indirectly related or unrelated to the ethnic group (e.g. List of films set in Hawaii, Society of Seven, and Honolulu Academy of Arts).  (Someone wrote an article on Society of Seven?  How tacky.)  Dr. Submillimeter 18:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Hawaii culture, for consistency. — coe l acan — 20:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Racehorse births by year

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The result of the debate was keep. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Racehorse births by year to Category:Racehorse births by century
 * Nominator's Rationale:


 * Oppose It's a subcategory of Category:Animal births by year and the precise categories are by year. The century categories are merely an intermediate means of organisation. Haddiscoe 17:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Commment I don't think the proposal is correct, but I don't think it should stay the way it is. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose The current scheme here is the same as that used in the Category:Births by year subcats.--After Midnight 0001 03:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Famous street furniture

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Hemlock Martinis 01:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * famous street furniture


 * Merge to Category:Street furniture. Lesnail 15:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename in the same way that Category:Famous animals is renamed - The term "famous" is a poor choice of words, but these individual articles are about "special" street furniture (e.g. Mojave phone booth). They should not be grouped with "ordinary" street furniture (e.g. phone booth).  A similar discussion is being held on renaming Category:Famous animals (which is about "special" animals and not "ordinary" animals").  I suggest renaming this category in the same way that the other category is renamed.  Dr. Submillimeter 18:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose Merge for now. Most of the items in the parent are generic in nature.  At least one in this category, Mojave phone booth, achieved a kind of cult status and should not be included in with the general terms.  I suppose following the previous consensus and using Category:Individual street furniture could work.  However it probably may not apply to the other two items in this subcat. I also find the parents name Category:Street furniture kind of odd.  never heard that term in the US.  I do support a Rename of some kind. Vegaswikian 19:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Street furniture. There are almost no articles about individual street furniture, so for now merging will do. – Ilse@ 17:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and Rename per Dr. Submillimeter. --rimshots talk 13:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Roald Dahl

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The result of the debate was Delete. Vegaswikian 04:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * roald dahl


 * Delete per WP:OCAT. -- Sam uel Wan t man 06:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. No need for a category for the name article plus subcats that are already part of other, better category trees. Otto4711 22:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep useful supercat for the two subcats within it. And those subcats are useful as well. Patstuarttalk·edits 02:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Neither subcat would be orphaned if this category were deleted. Books by author subcats usually don't get put in an eponymous category for the author.  These categories add little or no utility. -- Sam uel Wan t man 07:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete; the two subcats can be linked from the Roald Dahl article without need for a separate category. --lquilter 20:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Lesnail and Sam. Captain panda  02:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - an eponymous and highly popular English writer, who popularity travels outside the UK occasionally but still rates in the top ten English children's writers within the UK some 20+ years after his death. More popular today on UK book sales charts than many other well known globalised English writers, and an essential piece of reading for every junior school kid. Rgds, - Trident13
 * His popularity or how well known he may be is not the issue. The issue is whether or not there is substantial material related to the subject which can not be easily interlinked through the main article and each other. In this case, there is nothing in the ctageory which is not extensively interlinked with the other articles in the category so the eponymous category serves no purpose as a navigational hub. Otto4711 05:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:UEFA Euro 2008 player
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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * uefa euro 2008 player


 * Delete - until the rosters are set there is no objective criteria for inclusion. --After Midnight 0001 14:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - This is indeed a crystal ball category. Dr. Submillimeter 18:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete But not because of the crystal ball argument, which is made in error, as the category is being used for players who have appeared in the qualifying stage of UEFA Euro 2008, which is just as much part of the competition as the finals. However, imo all by tournament categories are unnecessary category clutter. ReeseM 01:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: At this moment the category contains players of Austria and Switzerland, the hosts and only current qualifiers, and so thus only contains players who have not played in the qualifying stage. Also the precedent in Category:UEFA European Football Championship players is to list in the category only those players who played at the finals, not in the qualifying stage. Caledonian Place 01:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. ArtVandelay13 14:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ArtVandelay13 14:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Tooga 15:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Not needed at this time. -- Mattythewhite 15:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above & WP:CRYSTAL. Qwghlm 15:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete As everyone else, way too soon to be doing this, even if it had been left blank. But then adding some Austrian and Swiss players who might not even appear in Euro 2008 because of injuries, and/or not even being picked by their national squad, just seems totaly pointless. ♦Tangerines BFC ♦ · Talk 15:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Matthew_hk  <font color="Blue">t  c  18:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, bad idea. When "recreated" in June 2008 it should bear a proper name. Punkmorten 18:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.   Asics   talk  <font color="Black">Editor review! 14:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
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Lists of Celebrities (Chinese Zodiac) and subcategories
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The result of the debate was delete all. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * list of celebrities (chinese zodiac)
 * born in the year of the dog
 * born in the year of the dragon
 * born in the year of the horse
 * born in the year of the monkey
 * born in the year of the ox
 * born in the year of the pig
 * born in the year of the rabbit
 * born in the year of the rat
 * born in the year of the rooster
 * born in the year of the sheep
 * born in the year of the snake
 * born in the year of the tiger

How is this a bad idea? Let me count the ways:
 * Entirely redundant to the Category:Births by year hierarchy.
 * The Chinese zodiac is entirely unrelated to nearly all of the people who've been categorized so far.
 * Each subcategory purports to be populated by fully a twelfth of the "celebrity" articles on Wikipedia.
 * Whether a person qualifies as being a celebrity is largely a matter of interpretation.
 * As the subcategories don't make the celebrity requirement explicit in their titles, before very long at all editors will start placing them on all people articles.
 * And they're miscapitalized. &mdash;Cryptic 14:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, and discussion of May 22nd. -- Prove It (talk) 14:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep, because:
 * I created this category (and subcategories) because it has been suggested in the Talk pages of the Chinese Zodiac signs to remove the Celebrity lists in these articles entirely and replace them with links to the categories. This is partly because the Celebrity lists in there got longer and longer, and because IP's added their favourite porn stars every five minutes. Categorizing it would combat vandalism on these parts.
 * The categories aren't supposed to consist of ALL people born under the Year of ThisNThat, it's just a representation to give the reader some examples.
 * Whether a Chinese or other Zodiac sign is fitting on a certain person or not is entirely subjective. It's just the fact you were born under that sign.
 * Miscapitalized? Oops, sorry. Well, renaming them would be in order if we keep them.
 * If you got a better idea how to organize this some other way, please tell me.
 * I've adapted the celebrity list out of the Dog article so far, but I won't continue as long as this is contested. Teshik 14:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete Another case of category bloat that adds next to nothing in the context of the article's subject. We don't have Category:Librans or Category:Pisceans for the same reason. Caknuck 15:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete all - Despite the small offset between the Chinese and Western calendars, this is generally redundant with the Category:Births by year hierarchy. It also seems inappropriate to use any astrological system for classifying people (unless it can be conclusively demonstrated that the astrological system has some impact on the people in the categories).  Note that it is not alway appropriate to convert lists into categories.  Also, the discussion at Talk:Dog (zodiac) received hardly any feedback from anyone; no one agreed with creating categories for these people.  Finally, note that, despite the creator's intentions, the category will be used for ALL people born under the given zodiacal sign.  Each category will eventually contain 1/12 of all people in Wikipedia.  Dr. Submillimeter 15:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete (after 2 edit conflicts) - per WP:OCAT and per nom. Also, not only are the subcategories not capitalized correctly, the parent is misnamed, since this is not a collection of Lists, it should have been something like "Celebrity births by Chinese Zodiac" or similar. --After Midnight 0001 15:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete -- This is basically redundant, not a useful form of categorization, and no less susceptible to vandalism than the lists were. Someone reading Herbert Hoover might perhaps want to see a category of other people born in the same year, but they are extremely unlikely to want a category of other people born in the year of the dog ever.  Relistify--at least with a list you can see on your watchlist when people add vandalism. Lesnail 15:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete all. No astrology-based categories for people, please.--Mike Selinker 16:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete all. This is trivia and is unencyclopedic. It makes a farce of categorization. Listify if you must; although I prefer never to see this again in any form.  Majoreditor 17:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete all Not defining on any rational analysis. Haddiscoe 17:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete them. Agreeing with everything said above, and most of these people don't believe in this Zodiac so it is very misleading to categorize them in this way. Most importantly, though, it's simply overcategorization, as this is a non-defining aspect of people. — coe l acan — 18:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion (Celebrities Zodiac)

 * Since I'm the only one who wants to have these articles, I admit my defeat ;-) . Delete them.
 * And since hardly anyone seems to like the idea of Celeb List in the articles itself either, I invite you to get rid of those lists themselves, if you think they're not needed (but discuss it over there first). To be honest, I'd rather have those lists gone entirely, to cut down on vandalism maintenance. But as Dr. Submillimeter noted, the discussion threads are not really active. (12 zodiac signs, 12 totally different discussion threads, hardly read by anyone) Teshik 17:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the suggestion, Teshik. I have begun centralized deletion discussion at Talk:Rat (zodiac). — coe l acan — 18:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete all What's your sign? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment this would be a defining characteristic for East Asians only... the same way that in Japan, blood type would be a defining characteristic. 70.55.90.106 02:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all This is not a primary defining characteristic anywhere, and nor is blood group. Some people may have superstitious beliefs that they are defining, but those beliefs have no place in an encyclopedia built on reason. Piccadilly 09:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - It's actually not quite redundant of births by year because births by year uses Western calendar, not Chinese, among other reasons ... but we ought not categorize by astrological signs because these are not (objectively) defining characteristics. --lquilter 20:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Brit Awards
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The result of the debate was Rename. Vegaswikian 04:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Brit Awards to Category:BRIT Awards
 * Nominator's Rationale: Rename, BRIT is an acronym for the British Record Industry Trust as the main BRIT Awards page states. Every other instance includes BRIT as a capitalized word. This could also be confused with the shortened form of "British". <font color=royalblue font style=italic face="Trebuchet MS"><font color="#C71585">Timclare <font color=#999 face="comic sans ms">(talk) <font color=Royal Navy face="Trebuchet MS">(sign here)  13:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Brit Award winners to Category:BRIT Award winners
 * Nominator's Rationale: Rename, BRIT is an acronym for the British Record Industry Trust as the main BRIT Awards page states. Every other instance includes BRIT as a capitalized word. This could also be confused with the shortened form of "British". <font color=royalblue font style=italic face="Trebuchet MS"><font color="#C71585">Timclare <font color=#999 face="comic sans ms">(talk) <font color=Royal Navy face="Trebuchet MS">(sign here)  13:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Both The Beeb calls them Brit Awards, as do Amazon and many other sources. If it is not clear which version to use, normal capitalization rules should be followed. In this case, that means Brit Awards. As for confusion with a shortened form of British: well, that is obviously intended by the name's creators. Also, the Brit awards go by the longer name of Britannia Music Awards . --<font color="#333377">rimshots talk 16:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom - the BRIT Awards use all caps and we should go by what the actual awards use. Otto4711 04:03, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The guidelines specifically say Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment. The only exception is where the capitalized form is common usage. Outside the official Brit Awards site, there is hardly anyone who calls them BRIT Awards. --<font color="#333377">rimshots talk 12:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * But this is not a question of the trademark owner "encouraging special treatment." This is a case of an acronym, which is properly capitalized. Otto4711 13:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What I tried to point out was that it is not as clearly an acronym as one might think. It is more properly an abbreviation refashioned as an acronym, a backronym if you will. Looks like the vote is headed the other way now, though. I cannot say that it really bothers me, BRIT Awards is awkward but certainly not incorrect. --<font color="#333377">rimshots talk 11:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. It's an acronym, even if not always treated as such. &mdash; <font color="#696969">RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 14:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. It's an acronym. Rgds, - Trident13
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Category:Characters in the Worm Ouroboros
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The result of the debate was Rename. Vegaswikian 04:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Characters in the Worm Ouroboros to Category:The Worm Ouroboros characters
 * Nominator's Rationale:


 * Rename as per nom. and convention of Category:Characters in written fantasy. --<font color="#333377">rimshots talk 16:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Films Depicting Non-Fictional US Presidents
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The result of the debate was delete. David Kernow (talk) 13:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Films Depicting Non-Fictional US Presidents to Category:UNKNOWN
 * Nominator's Rationale:


 * Delete - This is the categorization of films by character, which would appear to lead to category clutter. (Imagine an endless stream of similar categories: Films depicting non-fictional reporters, films depicting non-fictional businessmen, films depicting non-fictional actors, films depicting Santa Claus, etc) Moreover, non-fictional presidents are depicted so frequently and in so many different time periods (between the American Revolution and the present) that this category does not seem like it would bring together related films.  For example, both 1776 (musical) and The Pink Panther Strikes Again could both be placed in this category.  Dr. Submillimeter 08:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename/Keep. I'll probably be in the minority here but I think this is an interesting category for study, considering the profile of the subject matter at hand. As for the rename possibilities: Films depicting Presidents of the United States./United States' Presidents...hmm--Keefer4 | Talk 10:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - this category is hopelessly broad; taken literally, it would include not just biopics on presidents, but any film in which a depiction of a real president played a peripheral role, or even (conceivably) any film in which a president's voice was heard on the radio in the background. Alternatively, rename to something along the lines of "Biographical films about non-fictional Presidents of the United States". Wal  ton  <sup style="color:purple;">Vivat Regina!  12:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Dr. Submillimeter . Haddiscoe 12:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above and also how large a role would be needed to "depict"? --After Midnight 0001 15:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Dr. S Lesnail 15:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per S. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete we should have a category which says . <b style="color:teal; font-family:georgia;">Real96</b> 00:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:DNWAUC -- Cat chi? 18:09, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:People with diabetes
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The result of the debate was delete. David Kernow (talk) 13:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * people with diabetes


 * Delete - WP:BLP issues as well. Baka man  02:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - Also, as I stated before, people are not notable for having diseases but are instead notable for other activities. Therefore, categorization by disease is inappropriate.  Dr. Submillimeter 08:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Therefore, also delete Category:HIV-positive people, although I haven't studied any possible previous CFDs on that one, if any.--Keefer4 | Talk 10:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OC criterion 1 (non-defining or trivial characteristic). Diabetes isn't generally what makes a person notable, or a defining theme of their life. Wal  ton  <sup style="color:purple;">Vivat Regina!  12:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Haddiscoe 12:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Having certain very rare diseases may make someone notable in itself, but having diabetes is not notable, nor is it a defining characteristic. Lesnail 15:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Having argued long ago in one CfD to delete this altogether, then settled for renaming during another CfD, I must support this nomination per above. The three-way argument (delete-rename-keep) kept it from getting deleted the first time when the the non-keep votes split to create no consensus. Doczilla 04:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:DNWAUC -- Cat chi? 18:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. DBZROCKS 19:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, all categories of people by "disease", "condition", and "surgery" ought to go. Carlossuarez46 23:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and as per Carlossuarez46 most disease categories should go. Half of them are for trendy pseudo-diseases anyway. Piccadilly 09:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --<font color="#333377">rimshots talk 16:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
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