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Category:Allopathic medicine

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The result of the debate was no consensus. the wub "?!"  10:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * allopathic medicine


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete


 * Keep - It makes perfectly good sense to have this category for navigational purposes. I disagree that the term Allopathic is generally considered to be perjorative -- that is true only within certain circles. As was acknowledged by the nom himself, it does in fact have a valid and important use, in terms of distinguishing between allopaths and osteopaths. As long as the category is restricted to articles pertaining to that usage of the term -- which can be spelled out on the page -- I see no problem with keeping it. (I have already removed the three articles that were inappropriately categorized.) Cgingold 14:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Early converts to Islam

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The result of the debate was delete. Seems to have been recently interposed in an existing category scheme, almost as an alternative for the pre-existing. As such, doesn't seem necessary. --cjllw ʘ TALK 03:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * early converts to islam


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete subjective "early". Wryspy 07:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Christmas stories

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The result of the debate was merge. the wub "?!"  10:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * christmas stories
 * Merge into Category:Christmas fiction, as duplicate. -- Prove It (talk) 15:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Wryspy 07:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Massachusetts Attorneys General

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The result of the debate was keep. the wub "?!"  10:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Massachusetts Attorneys General to Category:Attorneys General of Massachusetts
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Oppose per conventions of Category:State Attorneys General in the United States. -- Prove It (talk) 15:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Neither parent category appears to have a perfectly consistent naming convention. Some of the similar categories are of the form "(postion) of (state)" while others are "(state) (position)".  Personally I like Category:Massachusetts Attorneys General better because it's more concise (it doesn't require the extra word "of").  So just my opinion, but I'd stick with that. Dugwiki 17:07, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, I like to see consistency between states at the state level and consistency between countries at the country level, so, to me, the important convention (or near-convention) is that of Category:State Attorneys General in the United States, and any apparent convention in Category:Government of Massachusetts should be treated as what it probably is: a coincidence. Xtifr tälk 11:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


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Eponymous musician categories - F

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The result of the debate was delete all. the wub "?!"  11:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * fall out boy


 * the fall


 * the farm


 * faster pussycat


 * fear (band)


 * filthy lucre


 * finders keepers


 * finntroll


 * fiona apple


 * fishbone


 * flanders and swann


 * fluke


 * foo fighters


 * foreigner


 * four tops


 * fraidy cat (band)


 * frank black


 * aretha franklin


 * franz ferdinand


 * brooke fraser


 * the fray


 * free (band)


 * funeral for a friend


 * eagles (band)


 * eddie money


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete all per nom. Wryspy 07:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all, at least the ones with two or more subcategories. These categories nicely connect all articles related to the bands in question. 96T 19:15, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all with two or more subcategories. It is illogical to expect people to navigate entirely via articles. The category system rests on the supposition that there are alternative, and often better, ways to navigate. Dominictimms 20:00, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It is not illogical to expect people to navigate via articles. Most people probably navigate via articles. Most people who are looking for information on a musician are going to start at the musician's article. They are not going to start at the category level. Otto4711 22:22, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete all per ample and extensive precedent, which has been upheld at deletion review. Pretty much every band should have all three subcategories, so if we say that every band with more than two subcategories should have an eponymous category, then we're basically saying that every band should have an eponymous category, and that notion has already been rejected after long and acrimonious debate that resulted in the current compromise; acrimonious debate which I, for one, would not like to see repeated.  Xtifr tälk 11:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all per Xtifr. --PEJL 03:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all. The previous consensus remains unless someone points out a reason that supports a different consensus.  Vegaswikian 04:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Secretaries of State of Massachusetts

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated. the wub "?!"  12:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Secretaries of State of Massachusetts to Category:Secretaries of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Rename to Category:Massachusetts Secretaries of the Commonwealth to match the associated main article The associated main article for this category is Massachusetts Secretary of the Commonwealth. In most cases a category title should match the title of its main article, so I'd suggest going with Category:Massachusetts Secretaries of the Commonwealth. Dugwiki 17:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom, as it's closer to the convention of Category:State secretaries of state of the United States. I agree with nom that the proper title should be used, despite parent category convention, but I still think that the broader parent category's convention should be followed as closely as is possible without being incorrect.  Dugwiki's argument is also appealing, but I tend to find that consistency (relatively speaking) within a category more compelling, especially since the article can easily be renamed or have a redirect added.  Xtifr tälk 20:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * To reply to Xtifr, I wouldn't object to renaming the article to Secretary of State of Massachusetts so that it matches the category. My main concern is that the main article and category match. Dugwiki 21:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


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Category:WikiProject MTV and subcategories

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The result of the debate was delete. WoohookittyWoohoo! 05:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Proposed deletion
 * Category:WikiProject MTV
 * Category:WikiProject MTV Templates
 * Category:WikiProject MTV articles
 * Category:WikiProject MTV members
 * Nominator's rationales: Remnants of a deleted WikiProject. - kollision 15:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. RobJ1981 00:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
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Category:No_image_available

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted Adam Cuerden talk 22:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * no_image_available

Same purpose as category Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs, creator of category agrees to merge, I have changed all Category:No_image_available to Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs, suggest speedy delete of Category:No_image_available. --Stefan talk 15:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
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Category:County Roads in Volusia County, Florida

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The result of the debate was (speedy) rename as nominated. --cjllw ʘ TALK 03:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:County Roads in Volusia County, Florida to Category:County roads in Volusia County, Florida
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Speedy rename Alex Middleton 21:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Louisiana State University at Shreveport alumni

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated. It seems someone's already emptied the cat. --cjllw ʘ TALK 04:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * louisiana state university at shreveport alumni
 * Merge / Redirect into Category:Louisiana State University in Shreveport alumni, to match Louisiana State University in Shreveport. -- Prove It (talk) 14:17, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, obviously redundant. The redirect seems a little excessive, but not unreasonable, so count me as neutral there.  Xtifr tälk 03:56, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
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People from Japanese cities

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The result of the debate was upmerge all. the wub "?!"  11:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

The following categories are all over-categorization, with just a few members. A small discussion on the Japan project page can be found here which suggests to limit the subdivided categories (found in ) to the ones big enough to support 20-30 articles. The most articles in any of these below is currently ten.


 * Category:People from Konan, Aichi
 * Category:People from Obu, Aichi
 * Upmerge to Category:People from Aichi Prefecture
 * Category:People from Dazaifu, Fukuoka
 * Category:People from Tagawa, Fukuoka
 * Category:People from Yanagawa, Fukuoka
 * Category:People from Ōmuta, Fukuoka
 * Upmerge to Category:People from Fukuoka Prefecture
 * Category:People from Kōriyama, Fukushima
 * Upmerge to Category:People from Fukushima Prefecture
 * Category:People from Fukuyama, Hiroshima
 * Category:People from Hatsukaichi, Hiroshima
 * Category:People from Higashihiroshima, Hiroshima
 * Category:People from Kure, Hiroshima
 * Category:People from Onomichi, Hiroshima
 * Category:People from Takehara, Hiroshima
 * Upmerge to Category:People from Hiroshima Prefecture
 * Category:People from Nishinomiya, Hyōgo
 * Upmerge to Category:People from Hyōgo Prefecture
 * Category:People from Hioki, Kagoshima
 * Category:People from Izumi, Kagoshima
 * Category:People from Kagoshima, Kagoshima
 * Category:People from Okuchi, Kagoshima
 * Category:People from Soo, Kagoshima
 * Upmerge to Category:People from Kagoshima Prefecture
 * Category:People from Atsugi, Kanagawa
 * Category:People from Chigasaki, Kanagawa
 * Category:People from Hadano, Kanagawa
 * Category:People from Isehara, Kanagawa
 * Category:People from Kawasaki, Kanagawa
 * Category:People from Minamiashigara, Kanagawa
 * Category:People from Sagamihara, Kanagawa
 * Category:People from Yokosuka, Kanagawa
 * Category:People from Zama, Kanagawa
 * Category:People from Zushi, Kanagawa
 * Upmerge to Category:People from Kanagawa Prefecture
 * Category:People from Sendai
 * Upmerge to Category:People from Miyagi Prefecture
 * Category:People from Isahaya, Nagasaki
 * Category:People from Nagasaki
 * Upmerge to Category:People from Nagasaki Prefecture
 * Category:People from Beppu, Ōita
 * Category:People from Ōita, Ōita
 * Category:People from Taketa, Ōita
 * Category:People from Usuki, Ōita
 * Upmerge to Category:People from Ōita Prefecture
 * Category:People from Kurashiki, Okayama
 * Upmerge to Category:People from Okayama Prefecture
 * Category:People from Neyagawa, Osaka
 * Category:People from Suita, Osaka
 * Category:People from Takatsuki, Osaka
 * Category:People from Toyonaka, Osaka
 * Upmerge to Category:People from Osaka Prefecture


 * Upmerge all as nominator. Neier 08:50, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Upmerge all per nom. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Upmerge all per nom. --musicpvm 22:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


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More Kitakyushu macrons

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!"  11:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Kitakyushu to Category:Kitakyūshū
 * Propose renaming Category:Places in Kitakyushu to Category:Places in Kitakyūshū
 * Propose renaming Category:Wards of Kitakyushu to Category:Wards of Kitakyūshū
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete- per nom.--Esprit15d 17:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The nomination was to rename, why the suggestion to delete? Vegaswikian 19:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom, but please keep the original as a redirect, it can't be typed on US keyboards. -- Prove It (talk) 20:56, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. As for redirecting the category, that's not really necessary, as the only time you'd generally be typing a category name is when adding it to an article. All article edit pages have a reference box below them which allows you access to all macronned characters. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:12, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. No need for redirect per 日本穣. Bendono 02:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


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Category:People in Kitakyushu
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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!"  12:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:People in Kitakyushu to Category:People from Kitakyūshū
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Rename per nom. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:12, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Bendono 02:31, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional Freemasons
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The result of the debate was delete. WoohookittyWoohoo! 05:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * fictional freemasons


 * Nominator's rationale:
 * Delete - I agree. Where a fictional character's "membership" in Freemasonry is important to the persona of the character, or is important to the plot of the work of fiction, this can be mentioned in the article. To categorize it is essentially categorizing trivia. Blueboar 15:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * A little history: This cat was kept along with all of the real life Freemason cats last August, and kept by itself in November. All of the real life cats were then deleted in a  contentious discussion this last March. In that discussion, much of the reasoning against the cats centered around the verifiability problems stemming secret nature of the organization. I'm not taking any position on this cat, but I would point out that fictional characters do not suffer from that problem. ×Meegs 06:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete we've decided that being freemasons are not defining for people (and it's only a minor stretch to say for fictitious people too). Carlossuarez46 18:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Russian Freemasons
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The result of the debate was delete. WoohookittyWoohoo! 05:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * russian freemasons


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete per discussion of March 4th. -- Prove It (talk) 13:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Such categories already determined to be globally deleted (see comment by User:ProveIt, above]]. Blueboar 15:17, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per ProveIt. Carlossuarez46 18:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Hungarian Freemasons
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The result of the debate was delete. WoohookittyWoohoo! 06:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * hungarian freemasons


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete per discussion of March 4th. -- Prove It (talk) 13:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Such categories already determined to be globally deleted (see comment by User:ProveIt, above]]. Blueboar 15:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per ProveIt. Carlossuarez46 18:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Iranian freemasons
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The result of the debate was delete. WoohookittyWoohoo! 06:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * iranian freemasons


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete per discussion of March 4th. -- Prove It (talk) 13:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Such categories already determined to be globally deleted (see comment by User:ProveIt, above]]. Blueboar 15:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per ProveIt. Carlossuarez46 18:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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Category:New World Order wrestlers
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The result of the debate was no consensus. the wub "?!"  12:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * new world order wrestlers


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Keep "Other stuff doesn't exist" isn't a reason for deletion. The nWo unlike any other stable I know off has had a HUGE member list and at times was booked to act like "a seperate promotion" within WCW - there was a "nWo/WCW presents" label on PPVs that occured during their heyday. It's big enough and important enough in historical terms to keep MPJ-DK 07:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. Being like a promotion: doesn't make it a promotion. This is clear wrestling overcategorization. WCW owned NWO and all the wrestlers. Just like how WWE owns ECW, and there is ECW named events: that doesn't mean we need to make an ECW wrestlers category. Furthermore: a large group doesn't always make it notable to just categorize. Categories are supposed to be for useful things: not any random thing just for the sake of categorizing. RobJ1981 23:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - Having a category and a list on the page is redundant. One of them needs to go, and since this isn't a promotion I'm not sure that it should have a category. I'm going to say delete, but I’m conflicted. <font color="Steel blue">The <font color="Maroon">Hyb <font color="Green">rid  08:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Nebulous
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The result of the debate was delete. --cjllw<font color="#DAA520"> ʘ TALK 04:40, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * nebulous


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete per nom. Wryspy 06:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom & ample precedent. Carlossuarez46 18:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Hancock's Half Hour actors
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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!"  12:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * hancock's half hour actors


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete per nom. Wryspy 06:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Hancock's Half Hour, as neither that parent category or this one are very large. --Bduke 06:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If it is overcategorization to tag actors with a show characters cat, then it is also overcategorization to tag the actors with the cat for the show. Otto4711 15:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge per Bduke, highly notable show, but not sufficient to support seperate actor cat. DuncanHill 11:56, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per discussion of January 25th -- Prove It (talk) 15:20, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete performer by performance. Carlossuarez46 18:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Freemason officers
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The result of the debate was delete. --cjllw<font color="#DAA520"> ʘ TALK 04:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * freemason officers


 * Nominator's rationale:
 * Delete - Category was created before there a main article was written... works better as a main article and linked subarticles - no need for a Category. Blueboar 15:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per earlier discussion on freemasons. Carlossuarez46 18:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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Category: Cult suicides
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The result of the debate was no consensus. the wub "?!"  12:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * cult suicides


 * Nominator's rationale: {{{3|For the same reason there aren't any articles categorized as cults - the word 'cult' is a pejortive and is non-neutral - it also is on the Words to Avoid list. Placing groups in a category named 'cult suicides' is as neutral as categorizing them as cults. Sfacets 04:17, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete category with name we're supposed to avoid. Wryspy 06:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: ? <font color="DarkRed">S facets  06:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename to something like Category:Religious organizations suicides. Notable concept but "cult" should be avoided. Carlossuarez46 18:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - Category is properly named, serves a valid navigational function, and is not being abused. It's certainly true that we don't want the term "cult" to be casually strewn about. So use of the word in the title of a category demands careful scrutiny. However, proper and careful use of the term is not prohibitted. The purpose of Words to avoid is to reign in casual and/or POV-pushing use of the term. In point of fact, each of the articles that have been placed in this category pertains to one of four specific cases of cult suicides, all of which are uncontroversial in terms of being so designated. If ever there was clear-cut validation of the term "cult", it was by the very suicides that made these particular groups so notorious.

In addition, there are quite a few articles which legitimately use the word "cult" in their title, along with half a dozen other subcategories which also use the word in their title. This category has existed for nearly a year, and hasn't attracted any inappropriately tagged articles. I see no reason to delete it. Cgingold 13:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Ultimate Poker Challenge
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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!"  12:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * ultimate poker challenge


 * Nominator's rationale:
 * Delete there is likely never to be ore than one article in this category. -Icewedge 04:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete category lacking room for growth. Wryspy 07:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 18:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, unneeded ▪◦▪ ≡ЅiREX≡Talk 04:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


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Category:World Series of Poker Tournament of Champions winners
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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!"  12:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * world series of poker tournament of champions winners


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete per nom. Wryspy 06:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 18:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete well it does have potential for growth, it matter of thinking long term, 20 years from the category would be reasonable as but with only three people soon to be four, it's not really needed▪◦▪ ≡ЅiREX≡Talk 04:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Fighting Talk
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, overcategorisation. --cjllw<font color="#DAA520"> ʘ TALK 02:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * fighting talk


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete per nom. Wryspy 06:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 18:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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Category:World Poker Tour champions
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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!"  12:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging Category:World Poker Tour champions to Category:World Poker Tour winners
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete per nom. Wryspy 06:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 18:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete not needed at this time ▪◦▪ ≡ЅiREX≡Talk 04:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


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