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Category:James Randi

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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 16:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * james randi


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete per OC. Doczilla (talk) 08:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep nothing wrong with the category it has 3 articles in it. Lobojo (talk) 01:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as ocat per nom and many previous discussions as well as being small with limited growth potential. Vegaswikian (talk) 04:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Idaho Law

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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 16:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Idaho Law to Category:Idaho law
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Speedy Rename as a spelling error. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per nom and Vegaswikian. Snocrates 05:43, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename for incorrect capitalization. Doczilla (talk) 08:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename as capitalization error. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Neoconservative political parties in the United States

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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 16:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * neoconservative political parties in the united states


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete.


 * Delete per nom (unless there actually is some U.S. Neoconservative Party that can be added here!) Terraxos (talk) 01:17, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. subjective. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Mini-Bots

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Transformers Mini Vehicles. Kbdank71 16:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Mini-Bots to Category:Mini Vehicles
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Oppose. The suggested target is ambiguous.  Not sure what other options might work. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Transformers Mini Vehicles. Otto4711 (talk) 02:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Transformers Mini Vehicles. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:16, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, that works. --ItsWalky! (talk) 16:17, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Ceiling fans

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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 16:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Ceiling fans to Category:Images of ceiling fans
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Rename - but with a lower case "c" in "ceiling." Otto4711 (talk) 15:33, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename with lower case ceiling. Doczilla (talk) 08:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per Otto. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


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Category:With trademark

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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 16:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:With trademark to Category:Images with trademarks
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Rename per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Intrastate WB Templates

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The result of the debate was delete, empty. Kbdank71 16:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * intrastate wb templates


 * Nominator's rationale: — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaidService (talk • contribs) 14:16, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Seems premature to CFD these while cats are populated on the grounds that they are no longer needed. Suggest withdraw CFD, depop cats, then CSD#C1 them if they remain empty for a week.  Oh, and WHO nominated this?  I added Template:unsigned JERRY talk contribs 15:00, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Intrastate UPN Templates

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The result of the debate was delete, empty. Kbdank71 16:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * intrastate upn templates


 * Nominator's rationale: — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaidService (talk • contribs) 14:17, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Seems premature to CFD these while cats are populated on the grounds that they are no longer needed. Suggest withdraw CFD, depop cats, then CSD#C1 them if they remain empty for a week.  Oh, and WHO nominated this?  I added Template:unsigned JERRY talk contribs 15:02, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This is premature. Don't delete the category while the templates still exist. Category remains useful even if only to help with TfD on the templates. Doczilla (talk) 08:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


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Category:El Tarf Province

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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 16:34, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:El Tarf Province to Category:El Taref Province
 * Nominator's rationale:

Support seems reasonable to be consistent with what editors who are familar with the subject matter would expect (unlike myself). JERRY talk contribs 14:57, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom to match articles in category, which use "Taref". Snocrates 05:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Suicides by Asian-Americans

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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 16:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * suicides by asian-americans


 * Nominator's rationale: {{{3|This category is not only biased but also falsely accusing listed people of psychos. I believe the category is Engrish as well. The comment on the category page shows what the editor, Dnivera intended. --Appletrees (talk) 14:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The Asian-American community is faced with a mental health crisis. Many cultural and mental health issues still need to be examined as contributing to suicides by Asian-Americans.


 * It's probably a notable intersection despite the bald statements below (a quick google search of "Asian-Americans"+suicide brings 79,000 hits including CNN & the Centers for Disease Control among the first few) - were this a "positive" view of Asian-Americans no doubt most of the delete votes would find significant enough intersection to keep it, but WP:WEDONTLIKEIT is winning out demonstrating once again my theory that race categories at WP are fundamentally flawed because they will never adhere to NPOV because the community will bend over backwards to keep positive ones and bend the other way to delete negative ones regardless of whether any notable intersection actually exists as demonstrated here. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Just so the deletion reviewers cannot whine that nothing was provided by way of sources, here goes:
 * US Dept of Education
 * CDC
 * CNN
 * We just don't like it seems to sum it up. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete as a non-notable cross categorisation. Lobojo (talk) 14:15, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose there is nothing Engrish about the category. The category does not accuse anybody of anything.  The articles which insert themselves into this category must have a source for the fact that the person is in-fact asian American, and that they did die from suicide.  If you have objection to a particular articlebeing in the category, then it should be addressed via the edit button on the article, not by deleting the category.  I removed the following from the category page as unsourced/ non-npov: "The Asian-American community is faced with a mental health crisis. Many cultural and mental health issues still need to be examined as contributing to suicides by Asian-Americans."  This was the only thing I saw wrong with it.  The category itself does not need to be deleted. JERRY {{sup|talk}} {{sub|contribs}} 14:50, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - overcategorization by non-notable intersection. Otto4711 (talk) 02:49, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Overcategorisation. Do we need Category:Left handed suiciders? Pavel Vozenilek (talk) 09:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * delete per Otto and Pavel. Snocrates 05:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per OC. Doczilla (talk) 08:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete unneeded race category, like nearly all of them. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Central School of Speech and Drama

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The result of the debate was relisted on dec 31. Kbdank71 16:42, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * central school of speech and drama


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Included in this nomination:
 * Category:Central School of Speech and Drama
 * Category:People associated with the Central School of Speech and Drama
 * Category:Academics of the Central School of Speech and Drama
 * Category:Alumni of the Central School of Speech and Drama
 * Category:Alumni of the Webber Douglas Academy of Dramatic Art
 * Category:People associated with Webber Douglas Academy of Dramatic Art
 * Category:Webber Douglas Academy of Dramatic Art
 * I Suggest just one category, should survive this CFD:
 * Category:Central School of Speech and DramaJERRY talk contribs 05:26, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Stong oppose First off Webber Douglas only merged into the Central School in the last couple of years and putting people who were there previously into the CSSD category is anachronistice. Secondly the alumni categories especially contain a large number of entries, whilst the other categories are the standard structure for UK universities (of which the CSSD is a part, being a college of the University of London). The category structure for uni people is stable and consistent, particularly for the University of London which has the people separated out and sub-categorised accordingly, and randomly deleting individual sections severely damages its overall efficiency. Timrollpickering (talk) 09:15, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree that the category structure is consistent. The webbers get into the centrals high up the tree, and then themselves exist aside the similar ones at the bottom.  It's a ball of yarn that a cat played with currently.  If kept, the structure needs to be standardized per all UK univs, IMHO. JERRY talk contribs 14:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually this set-up is pretty standard for UK universities that have either merged or absorbed - see for example Category:Queen Mary, University of London which has a similar set-up handling Westfield College, Barts and The London so that all alumni of the current institution and predecessors are either in the QMUL alumni category or the relevant sub category etc... The structure isn't overtly complicated - it just reflects the standard People subcategory with academics and alumni a further sub-category and former institutions linked in at the appropriate place. Or to put it another way, how would dumping into an unstandardised single institution category be an improvement, especially with the large number of alumni for both CSSD and Webber? Timrollpickering (talk) 15:46, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose Haven't seen this before but it seems perfectly OK, and consistent with other UK tertiary colleges. Bizarre proposal. The handling of Webber Douglas and Central School categories seems OK too. -- roundhouse0 (talk) 00:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:39, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


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Category:People from Bloomington

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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 16:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:People from Bloomington to Category:People from Bloomington, Indiana
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Rename and redirect  per nom. JERRY talk contribs 05:39, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * modified !vote per Vegaswikian. JERRY talk contribs 07:12, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename and do not redirect. There is more then one Bloomington category so a redirect does not seem justified. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:43, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom but don't redirect. Snocrates 05:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename and create disambiguation page, per nom. - Dravecky (talk) 06:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:39, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree but some one should check that all the people are in fact from Bloomington, Indiana, recategorising any from Illinois. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


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