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Category:Deontology

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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * deontology


 * Delete per nom - empty category. — PSUMark2006   talk  |  contribs  02:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Doom source ports

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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * doom source ports


 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. Vossanova o&lt; 21:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - redundant category. Otto4711 23:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree; it seems that the main article would be the only article in this category for the forseeable future. &mdash; brighterorange  (talk) 23:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:FIFA World Cup goalscorers

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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * fifa world cup goalscorers


 * Comment - I found the related discussions on Category:Players who scored in an FA Cup Final and Category:FA Cup Final goalscorers at Categories for discussion/Log/2007 February 9. The arguments for those categories' deletion also applies to this category.  Dr. Submillimeter 22:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per arguments wikilinked above. Haddiscoe 00:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Not a useful way of identifying top strikers or anything else. Nathanian 00:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Lǐ (李) (surname)

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The result of the debate was delete (speedy delete per G4). Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * lǐ (李) (surname)


 * Comment - Also see the debate on Category:Chén (陳) (surname) at Categories for discussion/Log/2007 February 20. Dr. Submillimeter 08:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Part of an unneeded (and thankfully non-existent) scheme. Haddiscoe 00:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Maltese Football Clubs

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The result of the debate was merge Category:Maltese Football Clubs into Category:Maltese football clubs. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Maltese Football Clubs to Category:Maltese football clubs


 * Merge, capitalised duplicate of Category:Maltese Football Clubs. ~  ► W y k e b j s ◄  (userpage | talk) 19:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Can this be speedied? --BrownHairedGirl (talk)  • (contribs) 17:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
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Voice actors by channel

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The result of the debate was withdrawn as duplicate. I'll solicit assistance from related Wikiprojects. We have a huge number of backlogged categories for listifying. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * nicktoons cast members
 * disney voice actors


 * Delete as above and per previous actor by studio afds. Dugwiki 19:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy close disucssion - These two categories have both been the subjects of individual WP:CFD discussions that were closed very recently. The decision on Category:Disney voice actors was to delete.  The decision on Category:Nicktoons cast members was to listify (although I think that deletion may have been more appropriate, as this is a production company and not a show).  The administrators and bots have not had the opportunity to act on these categories.  Another discussion is only going to confuse people.  Dr. Submillimeter 19:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Bah, and I even participated in both of those discussions. I saw these and thought they were carry-overs from the mass nom that hadn't been dealt with. Withdrawn with apologies, and give the admins and bots time to catch up. Otto4711 21:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Research in Kiev city

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The result of the debate was rename Tim! 20:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Research in Kiev city to Category:Organisations based in Kiev city
 * Nominator's Rationale:


 * Comment If this is renamed as proposed, please could the closing admin relocate it. CalJW 17:31, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename and relocate per nom - and populate too. Haddiscoe 00:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Manhattanization

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 09:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * manhattanization


 * Delete This is a bad idea for a category, being based on a term that is both vague and polemical. CalJW 17:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - The term is too jargonistic, too vague, and too obscure for use in categorization. Dr. Submillimeter 19:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - too subjective. Metamagician3000 00:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague, subjective, jargonistic neologism. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
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Categorization of location

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The result of the debate was delete all. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * locations 37°n 122°w to 38°n 123°w
 * locations 13°n 100°e to 14°n 101°e
 * locations 10°n 100°e to 15°n 105°e
 * locations 0°n 90°e to 30°n 120°e
 * locations 30°n 120°w to 60°n 150°w
 * locations 35°n 120°w to 40°n 125°w


 * Delete Wikipedia is not a substitute for a map. CalJW 17:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I have grouped all these nominations together. This is apparently part of a "Location Categorization Project" whose goal is to make categories for every region in a grid of coordinate by latitude and longitude - see Categorization of location.  The person behind this is User:AxelBoldt.  --Vossanova o&lt; 02:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. The category and the essay explaining the category was started and finished in May 2006. Even the guy who started it seemed to abandon it quite quickly. The actual system has since been replaced. SilkTork 23:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete I am certain that this is a bad idea without listening to whatever reasons may be put forward to justify it. Haddiscoe 00:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. I've thought about this, and I can't see any reason why we should keep this failed attempt on the database. SilkTork 23:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - The problem I have with these, aside from the 67,464 total categories that could be automatically created, is that it wants Wikipedia to be a WikiAtlas, which, needing massive map images, could really stand to be a separate site. --Vossanova o&lt; 00:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete A bad idea in principle, which now seems to be abandoned. --  X damr  talk 17:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Obviously a project like this cannot thrive if people don't like it, which seems to be the case here. To me, questions like "What other churches are located close to this one?" or "What are the neighboring counties?" etc. seem to be pretty natural and relevant for an encyclopedia to answer. I would therefore be interested in learning why people immediately reject the idea, maybe on my talk page or on the project's talk page. I thought it was a really good idea at the time :-) Cheers, AxelBoldt 23:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment. This categorization is (relatively) time-proof.  Taking a long-term view (either backwards, or forwards; it doesn't matter) -- with shifting government borders, there is a case to be made that these categories are more valid than  or .  However, for regions which overlap more than one square, there is no point in adding 50 or more categories.  This may make for an interesting wiki on its own.  Neier 01:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all It's a tempting idea, but I don't think that wikipedia's categoriastion system is sophisticated enough to deke the results useful. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Orders and decorations

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The result of the debate was rename. As a corollary, I am also renaming Category:Orders and decorations of Nigeria to Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Nigeria to match all the others: it was tagged for speedy renaming on Feb 22, but somehow this was never implemented. Any objections, let me know. --RobertG ♬ talk 09:09, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Orders and decorations to Category:Orders, decorations, and medals
 * Nominator's Rationale:


 * Rename, BUT... This is something I've been meaning to get around to for a while, so I've no objection in principle. However, given that the by-country subcategories use the serial comma, for consistency's sake I would suggest that the category is renamed to Orders, decorations, and medals.


 * X damr talk 16:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That is what I intended. CalJW 17:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Nathanian 01:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Polygonal forts and Category:Star forts

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The result of the debate was delete empty categories Tim! 20:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Category:Polygonal forts
 * Category:Star forts
 * Delete both. After a reorganisation of Category:Fortifications of Malta, these two categories (having been replaced with Category:Polygonal forts in Malta and Category:Star forts in Malta). It is possible that they could be used as subcategories somewhere in the Forts category, but I personally don't feel it is necessary. Should they be deleted? ~  ► W y k e b j s ◄  (userpage | talk) 16:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Pejorative political terms

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 09:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * pejorative political terms


 * Speedy keep (or rename to Category:Political epithets or something). The AfD does not expand to every category and article in some way related with the deleted article. Failing that merge into Category:Political terms. // Liftarn
 * Delete - "pejorative" requires an improper POV judgment call. Otto4711 15:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's a vote for rename, not delete. // Liftarn


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 * Strikethrough of Otto4711's comment removed.


 * X damr talk 16:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong delete, of course, per discussion at Articles for deletion/List of political epithets (2) Jayjg (talk) 16:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment and how does a vote on one thing affect another thing? // Liftarn
 * You've misunderstood, these aren't "votes", they are discussions. Read the discussion. Jayjg (talk) 16:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, then. How does one thing affect another? That A was deleted is not a valid argument to also delete B. // Liftarn
 * This isn't A and B, this is a second variation on A. Lists and categories are very closely related—in fact, it's common to convert categories to lists, and vice versa.  Now, it is true that a deletion for "List of A" does not necessarily mean that "Category:A" should also be deleted, because it's possible that the list was deleted in favor of a category.  This is pretty much the sole exception, though, and doesn't apply here.  Xtifr tälk 22:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it does apply here. // Liftarn
 * Delete "Pejorative" is an overly subjective term, and thus is a problematic criteria for categorization. Where do you draw the line between "justifiably insulted" and "overly sensitive"? Dugwiki 19:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per the arguments raised for the near-identical list, many of which apply even more strongly to a category. Categories can't include citations and can't be easily monitored for inappropriate additions.  If we were to keep one or the other, then we should keep the list, but since the list has already been deleted, we should most definitely get rid of the category as well!  Xtifr tälk 22:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, becasause we deleted the list the category should stay. However it may need a better name. // Liftarn


 * Delete 'Pejorative' is simply too subjective. Anything which comes down to opinion, like this does, is an unsuitable basis for a category (WP:OR, etc).


 * X damr talk 17:31, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * do not delete until a satisfactory replacement term is found. Suggests are 'political epithets' or 'political slurs' Bad idea to upmerge to 'political terms'--that category is already in need of category diffusion. Hmains 19:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure that there is any way that this can be replaced without being OR. Afd doesn't seem to want it, so any re-creation is likely to be deleted.


 * X damr talk 22:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete one person's pejoritive is another's badge of honor: by the way, what about all the most common ones (at least in the US) Nazi? Communist? Liberal? Hawk? Dove? we can find all sorts of people who'd be stung with those labels and others who gladly embrace(d) them. Carlossuarez46 21:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete subjective Catchpole 08:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of mainland China

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The result of the debate was merge Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of mainland China into Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of the People's Republic of China. Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * orders, decorations, and medals of mainland china

Delete as unnecessary layer of categorisation. Upmerge all content into parent category, Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of the People's Republic of China.

X damr talk 15:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Batman-inspired villains
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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * batman-inspired villains


 * Speedy delete per nom --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 22:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete and salt recreation of this vague, POV/OR category. Doczilla 08:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Batman-inspired heroes
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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * batman-inspired heroes


 * Speedy delete per nom --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 22:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete and salt recreation of this vague, POV/OR category. Doczilla 08:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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Orders, decorations, and medals of Canada - Housekeeping
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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Rename Category:Awards and decorations of the Canadian armed forces to Category:Military awards and decorations of Canada
 * Rename Category:Civil decorations of Canada to Category:Civil awards and decorations of Canada

Rename as above to bring Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Canada into compliance with WP:ODM categorisation conventions.

X damr talk 14:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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Orders, decorations, and medals of New Zealand - Housekeeping
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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Rename Category:Awards and decorations of the New Zealand armed forces to Category:Military awards and decorations of New Zealand
 * Rename Category:Civil decorations of New Zealand to Category:Civil awards and decorations of New Zealand

Rename as above to bring Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of New Zealand into compliance with WP:ODM categorisation conventions.

X damr talk 14:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Futurologists
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The result of the debate was relist Tim! 20:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * futurologists


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Category:Samuel A. Taylor plays
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The result of the debate was keep. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * samuel a. taylor plays


 * Keep It's better for the articles to be where they are than back in Category:American plays. Greg Grahame 12:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - This is part of a larger organizational scheme of plays by playwright. In these situations, small categories are acceptable.  Dr. Submillimeter 14:29, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep As mentioned above, this is part of Category:Plays by author, which does not discriminate its subcategories by size. This is similar to Category:Albums by artist and Category:Books by author, and is used even if the subcategory only has one article. Dugwiki 19:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep as part of a wider categorisation scheme. -- X damr  talk 17:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Roman Catholic military leaders
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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * roman catholic military leaders


 * Delete Excessively broad category. Greg Grahame 12:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Catholicism was only highly relevant to warfare in the 16th and early 17th centuries. LukeHoC 11:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Absurd contents now. Catholicism was relevant even before 16-17th century, e.g. during Waldensian Crusades or Hussite Wars or during early conflicts with countries under the Orthodox Church but the category gives no chance to cover this and only this and would be as misused in the future as it is now. Pavel Vozenilek 21:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above. At present, the category appears to be a random intersection of military leaders who happoen to be RC, even if thir religion has no bearing on their military role.   The question I see is whether a similar category could be more precusely named or labelled to restrict it to those who were doing their military leadership in a particularly Catholic way.  There might be a case for a more specific "category:Leaders of Roman Catholic military forces", but even that would probably still be too broad, because it wouldn't distinguish between officers in the contemporary Spanish Army (a secular force which happens to be mostly Roman Catholic), and leaders in the Waldensian Crusades or Hussite Wars. --BrownHairedGirl (talk)  • (contribs) 11:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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Orders, decorations, and medals of India - Housekeeping
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The result of the debate was delete honours system category, rename military decorations category. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Category:Indian honours system (empty)
 * Rename Category:Awards and decorations of the military of India to Category:Military awards and decorations of India

Delete/Rename as above to bring Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of India into compliance with WP:ODM categorisation conventions.

X damr talk 01:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Indoor theme parks
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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Indoor theme parks to Category:Indoor amusement parks
 * Nominator's Rationale:


 * Rename per nom. Greg Grahame 12:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. --Djsasso 20:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. <b style="color:#000000;">Royal</b><b style="color:#FFCC00;">broil</b>T : C 05:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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Artist-producers
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The result of the debate was delete all. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * artist-producers
 * american artist-producers
 * canadian artist-producers
 * english artist-producers

Similar to the nomination below about category:Singers by instrument, this is another strange hyphenated category, where most members are also in category:Record producers and a musician category.--Mike Selinker 00:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete These categories add clutter to articles which often have many categories already, but they add very little value in compensation. Sumahoy 01:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete/Merge--Urthogie 03:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - These crossover categories add little that is useful for organizational purposes while simply adding clutter to people's articles. Dr. Submillimeter 08:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Dr. Submillimeter. Greg Grahame 12:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge per Urthogie. Blackjays 18:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Wii user interface
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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * wii user interface


 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 00:31, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Even if it were renamed to cover interface input devices (wiimote, nunchuck, etc.) there would still not be enough to warrant a category. GarrettTalk 04:02, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Its totaly pointless Mattyatty 18:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Gallantry Awards of Bangladesh
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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Gallantry Awards of Bangladesh to Category:Military awards and decorations of Bangladesh

Rename to follow WP:ODM category naming conventions for military decorations.

X damr talk 00:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename LukeHoC 11:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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