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Category:Louisville museums

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Museums in Louisville. anthony cfc [ talk] 18:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Louisville museums to Category:Museums in Louisville
 * Nominator's Rationale:


 * Rename per nom - Jwillbur 23:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 23:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Museums in Louisville, Kentucky to disambiguate. Postdlf 00:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand your position, but other Louisville categories currently use just 'Louisville'. It is considered the most prominent Louisville of all cities with that name, so it makes sense.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 06:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Haddiscoe 13:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom.  semper fictilis 21:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Anglican suffragan bishops in Durham diocese

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The result of the debate was delete. I cant' find the category PMJ pointed out but this one's empty anyway.-- Wizardman 13:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * anglican suffragan bishops in durham diocese

(edited to fix typo)
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Category:Hoenn locations

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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * hoenn locations

It was useful but now it has only two articles that's in the category, the rest was merged to a new page. So I think it should be removed. TheBlazikenMaster 21:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: No longer useful for categorization.—M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 21:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's an article dedicated to that now, so there's no point.—ウルタプ 01:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Antisemitic canards

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The result of the debate was keep -  anthony cfc  [ talk] 06:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * antisemitic canards

Unfortunately it severely violates WP:NPOV, by making the accusation that the subject of the article is a canard (canard = "a false and baseless claim"). Though I may personally agree with the sentiment that the various claims are canards, this is still only a personal opinion, not a concretely proven fact beyond dispute. Imagine adding a "Category:Fundamentalist Christian Canards" to the Teach the Controversy article. --User talk:FDuffy 20:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions.   -- ←Humus sapiens ну? 11:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

This page is reserved for anti-Jewish ATTACK stories which have been widely recognized as factually incorrect by competent scholars or authorities in the relevant field, but which are still continually dragged out to ATTACK Jews year after year for decades. Note the first distinction between this category and Intelligent Design -- intelligent design was not contrived for the purpose of attacking or denigrating any one national/religious/ethnic or racial group of people. The second difference is that the main dispute over Intelligent Design is actually not whether it's true or false, but rather whether or not it's science -- a dispute which quickly leads to abstract realms of philosophy and falsifiability. By contrast, the disputes involved in the "canards" category are largely about simple facts, dates, and events. So keep. AnonMoos 21:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. Previous CFD is at Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_December_6 -- AnonMoos 21:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Seeing as the logical parents of this would be Category:Antisemitism, which does exist, and Category:Canards, which does not, there might be a better term than "canards" to use, unless some sources can be provided that indicate "canard" is the usual and definitive referent. Antisemitic canard does exist, but it is a recent creation and a mere unreferenced stub.  There are not any other specific "canard" pages, other than Canard (computing), which has its own problems.  Why not just merge Category:Antisemitic canards into Category:Antisemitism?  Also note that Template:Antisemitism uses "Allegations" as a header, so renaming to "Antisemitic allegations" would also make sense.  Postdlf 21:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't be merged with Category:Antisemitism, because it's convenient to have a distinct category to gather together the specifically anti-Jewish myths or stories which never die, but continue on and on decade after decade, no matter how often or how conclusively they've been debunked and refuted. A proposal which emerged in the last CFD, and gained some support, was to rename it to "Category:Persistent antisemitic narratives", but this wasn't done... AnonMoos 01:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep, possibly rename - As AnonMoos pointed out, this category is for stories which are widely recognized as false by scholars and other reliable sources, therefore not violating NPOV. It is a useful category, but the term "canard" is unusual. If "Antisemitic canards" is the name most commonly used for this subject in reference works, then it should stay. If it is not a common name, than the category should be renamed to something like Category:Persistent Anti-Semitic beliefs, as proposed in the previous CfD. - Jwillbur 01:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Why not rename to Category:Antisemitic allegations, as Template:Antisemitism uses? "Persistent...beliefs" would seem to exclude historical claims that are no longer "persisting," and is strange language to use when not talking about the beliefs of specific individuals.  Postdlf 03:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per AnonMoos and per previous failed CFD. This is not merely about "beliefs" or "various claims", but rather about deliberate frauds and fabrications persistently (for generations) used to attack Jews. ←Humus sapiens ну? 11:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep because it's all true, notable, and verified. Shall we vote to "delete" antisemitism next and pretend that it does not exist? IZAK 13:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep While categories do have to be NPOV they do not need to be conserved about extreme minority opinions. Note for example, September 11, 2001 attacks is in Category:Islamist terrorism despite the existence of 9/11 conspiracy theories.  If this was not the case almost all categories would be NPOV, since there is almost always someone who disagrees with something. Jon513 14:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename. "Canard" has to go, since it is not merely POV but disparaging.  The category itself may some value, however, and renaming might help refine that.   semper fictilis
 * Comment. Would you consider Category:Pejorative terms for people or Category:Ethnic slurs disparaging? AFAIK, the best way to deal with such difficult topics for an encyclopedia is to inform the reader. If you have something better in mind, let's see it. ←Humus sapiens ну? 23:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, these are notable, verifiable persistent myths. -- M P er el ( talk 06:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Fox Broadcasting Company personalities

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The result of the debate was delete;  anthony cfc  [ talk] 06:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * fox broadcasting company personalities


 * Delete. Are we done yet? Vegaswikian 03:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - See comments Category:CJOH people below. Dr. Submillimeter 09:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:CNN people

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 09:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * cnn people


 * Delete - See comments Category:CJOH people below. Dr. Submillimeter 17:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Doczilla 06:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:UEFA European Football Championship goalscorers

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 21:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * uefa european football championship goalscorers

more prominent role in the competition than most of those that did. Haddiscoe 18:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, agree with Dr. Submillimeter. -- P199 17:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete This is not a useful way of grouping players. Some players who do not score a goal in any given tournament play a
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Category:Bangladeshi laws

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The result of the debate was } already deleted. David Kernow (talk) 11:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * bangladeshi laws


 * Speedy delete as empty and redundant. Otto4711 17:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Doczilla 07:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete  semper fictilis 21:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment "Law" categories are usually about the concept of law and the legal system of a country, whereas "laws" categories are for individual codes and statutes. Compare for instance Category:British laws (a subcategory of Category:Statutory law) and Category:United Kingdom law (a subcategory of Category:Law by country).-choster 06:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Alanis Morissette

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 09:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * alanis morissette


 * Keep. It would sure be nice if we had a guideline about musician categories before they're all nominated independently. Mine would be, "If the artist has at least two subcategories, it stays." But I'm sure that's not everyone's opinion.--Mike Selinker 19:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm trying through the CFD process to help develop some guidelines, I think that's an OK thing to do. My quibble with the "two cats and you're in" criterion is that pretty much every musician since the inception of recorded music is going to have an albums and a songs category. Since their discographies should be in their articles that in my mind is insufficient reason to have the category. I think the categories need to be looked at for depth and not just volume. This category as I mentioned has three articles in it, all of which are linked to each other. The main article Alanis Morissette serves as the navigational hub because all of the articles and the categories are accessible through it as easily as through the category. Someone with a more extensive field of articles that aren't as logically linkable through each other is more likely to need an eponymous category. But just counting the number of subcats pr articles doesn't seem like enough of a rationale. YMMV as always. Otto4711 21:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess I wonder what it hurts to have categories like this. Works derive from people, so it follows logically that work categories are subcategories of people categories.--Mike Selinker 00:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:NOHARM. It "doesn't hurt" to have a lot of the categories we delete, but "what's the harm" is rightly rejected as an argument for keeping. The potential "harm" is in adding to the category clutter on articles (Alanis has some 30 on hers, some admittedly relating to sourcing but still more than two dozen) and in the precedent that keeping them sets in trying to delete other categories that may be more "harmful." If there is sufficient material on a subject to warrant an eponymous category, then I have no objection to it. But in the case where the category is doing nothing but serving as an unnecessary layer of categorization it should be deleted. Her discography is easily accessible through her article, which is where anyone interested in her is going to start anyway. Otto4711 01:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Too few directly relevant articles/sub-categories to merit an eponymous category. -- X damr  talk 02:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Doczilla 07:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Both of the articles already belong to other appropriate categories, so this category isn't needed for those. The subcategories are likewise already included in other good parents.  Finally her main article contains a complete discography, so the main article serves as a fully functional hub for those links.  Delete this eponymous category as unnecessary. Dugwiki 17:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above.  <b style="color:#008000;">semper fictilis</b> 21:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Torchwood people
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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * torchwood people


 * Delete per above. Doczilla 06:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:RCA Records artists
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 * The result of the discussion was: listify.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  14:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * rca records artists


 * Delete (as first impression) My first impression here would be to agree with Otto. This sounds akin to actors-by-studio, which is generally deleted since actors often work for many studios in their career. I could see that musicians-by-record-label might suffer some of the same problems, although I could be wrong.  So I'm leaning toward delete, but I'm certainly open to counter-arguments. Dugwiki 17:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - Unlike actors, musicians sign long-term contracts with recording studios and may only work with one or two recording studios during their careers. Therefore, the identification of a musician with a studio is more meaningful than the identification of an actor with a studio.  In some cases, the studio also indicates the style or origin of the music (especially a famous studio such as Motown Records), which is an additional reason to keep.  Furthermore, since articles on performers are unlikely to have more than a couple of these categories, the studios categories should not contribute to category clutter.  (Like Dugwiki, however, I am open to counter-arguments.)  Dr. Submillimeter 17:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Under the American studio system, actors signed long-term contracts with individual studios and became strongly identified with the studios. MGM, Paramount, RKO, etc. had stables of stars and distinctive production values. I understand what you're saying as well but the identification of movie star with studio is for many stars of that era possibly stronger than the identification of most recording artists with their labels. Otto4711 18:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - The practice of actors signing long-term contracts with studios was a common practice in the first half of the 20th century, but it is not a common practice anymore. Since actors may now work on projects at many different studios, classifying them by studio is inappropriate.  However, musicians still sign long-term contracts with recording studios, so classifying them by recording label does make sense.  The two situations are different.  Dr. Submillimeter 22:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * They are different but still analogous, especially since we don't distinguish between current and former in categorization. And actually, television actors do frequently sign seven year contracts at the start of a new series. Someone like, say, Sarah Michelle Gellar, who was under long-term contract to (I assume) Mutant Enemy, could arguably more reasonably be categorized under Category:Mutant Enemy actors than someone who recorded a single album for FictionRecords Inc. be categorized under Category:FictionRecords artists. Otto4711 22:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak delete and listify. I agree that some musicians are strongly associated with a particular label, and, especially in the case of some indie labels, the association can be strong enough to be considered defining. Nevertheless, successful musicians with long careers will have often worked with many labels, and these articles are most likely to already be suffering from category bloat.  Frank Zappa (for example) would need five new categories if he were categorized by label(s).  That's on top of the thirty-two (!) categories he already has.  I think lists would work just as well for the indies, and would be a far better choice for many others, like Zappa.  Xtifr tälk 11:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Haddiscoe 13:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


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Category:ZZ Top
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  14:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * zz top


 * Keep. Does a fine job of uniting its three categories and articles. I'm in favor of keeping all of these band categories.--Mike Selinker 19:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually by making Category:ZZ Top members and locating it under Category:Musicians by band I think you're kinda proving my point for me. All three of the subcats have logical parents and all of the articles in the subcats and the only other article in the category are all easily accessible through the main ZZ Top article. Otto4711 23:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's best, though, when a category has two parents. See the "Antisemitic canards" debate above. Antisemitism is a category, but Canards is not, so it comes into question. Here, "members" is a category (Musicians by band), and ZZ Top should be as well.--Mike Selinker 00:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I am unaware of any requirement that a category have two parents or even that it's automatically preferable that a category have two parents. The comparison to the "canards" discussion doesn't really follow, as in that instance the dispute is about the POV name of the category. I am not suggesting that there is any such flaw in the name of this category, but that the category itself is redundant to the perfectly adequate linkages that already exist in the article. Otto4711 01:38, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Category isn't necessary here. The subcategories are already appropriately included in other parents and the only two articles in this category are the main article and an article which should probably simply appear in the main article under "See also".  ZZ Top's complete song list and discography likewise appear in the main article as well.  So this category serves pretty much no navigational purpose that the main article isn't serving.  Delete as unneeded eponymous category. Dugwiki 17:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


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Category:CJOH people
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  14:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * cjoh people


 * Keep for all the reasons in the last discussion, do we have to have this talk every week?  see Categories for discussion/Log/2007 February 7    cmacd 16:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Yup... at least until there is a solid result. At that point it would be good manners to wait a few months be fore re-noming or recreating. — J Greb 23:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - The last discussion reached no consensus, so further discussion is warranted. As with other people by network categories, the people at CJOH have worked elsewhere; see, for example, Peter Jennings and Alanis Morissette.  As stated before, categorization by network is inappropriate, since people work for many networks during their careers and since the categories lead to category clutter.  Moreover, in light of the deletion of similar categories for other TV networks (such as Category:NBC personalities and Category:CBS personalities) and the status of pending nominations to delete other "people by network" categories (see Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 5, for example), this category should also be deleted.  Dr. Submillimeter 16:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per cmacd. GreenJoe 16:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as per similar cfds for other actor-by-network categories. It also looked like this cfd was leaning toward a possible deletion at the time it was closed for no consensus, so I don't have a problem with the discussion continuing. Dugwiki 17:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Dr. Submillimeter. This is even less valid than most other categories of this type because it is just for one local part of a network. Haddiscoe 18:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The consensus against this type of categorization has been pretty clear, and I don't see any compelling reason to treat this one as a special exception to that. Delete. Bearcat 21:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as inappropriate "Person by Employer" category. —J Greb 23:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep - renominating this category less than a month after its last CfD is unjustifiably seems too soon, and is tantamount to an immediate renomination - violation of see WP:DEL. Dl2000 00:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't appreciate the suggestion that I have acted in bad faith in nominating this category. I did not notice that it had been nominated previously and even the hint that I deliberately did something improper is unacceptable. Otto4711 01:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Apologies, particularly for leaving the impression that Otto4711 had renominated this when in fact another editor made the previous nomination. No bad faith accusation was intended, but official policies such as WP:DEL should still be factored into the discussion. Dl2000 03:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - I would say that the renomination is justified for two reasons. First, the previous discussion reached no consensus.  Second, several similar categories were deleted while this one was not.  For these reasons, re-examining this category is warranted.  Dr. Submillimeter 10:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per Bearcat. -Royalguard11 (Talk·Review Me!) 00:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and per Bearcat. A prior "no consensus" result is certainly not a precedent against deletion, let alone relisting, especially considering the clear deletion precedents in similar categories.  The procedural complaints are therefore misplaced, and insufficient as the only objections to deletion.  Postdlf 17:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment the previous discussion identified the Sui generis nature of the legacy of Ernie Bushnell and CJOH. because of its unique place in time and space, it was the training ground for many important figures in North American TV/Radio/media.  cmacd 19:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: the only person in the previous debate who claimed that CJOH had some special legacy of significance as a training ground for important media figures was you; everybody else who voted to keep it did so on the grounds that it was parallel to the very "personalities by network" categories that are now being deleted as unwarranted overcategorization. CJOH most certainly hasn't ever been some kind of uniquely significant birthplace for media personalities; it has no more claim to significance in this regard than any other major market television station in North America. Every TV station that existed in the 1950s and early 1960s had to develop a lot more locally oriented programming than TV stations do now, and a lot of those personalities went on to greater fame. CJOH isn't unique that way. Bearcat 06:49, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - If precedent is against performer by network there certainly shouldn't be any question about performer by individual station. There is obviously room for textual mentions of the link and probably even room for a list of people linked to CJOH, but not notable enough for a category, IMO. - Cafemusique 04:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Data Vault
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  14:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * data vault


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Category:ASEAN
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename, do not use abbrev.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  14:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:ASEAN to Category:Association of Southeast Asian Nations
 * Nominator's Rationale: Rename, Based on Naming_conventions_%28acronyms%29, acronyms are acceptable if they ase used in common usage (evidence:, , , , , , , ), so I guess using the less lenghty Category:ASEAN would be better since it would attract less clutter and also it would avoid renaming disputes such as Category:Association of Southeast Asian Nations members versus Category:Members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations for Category:ASEAN members. --23prootie 13:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. Anyway, I've read Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_%28categories%29 and it said there that if an acronym becomes a word it becomes acceptable, well sometimes people use the word Asean-pronounced AH-SEE-AHN-to describe ASEAN, so I guess that makes this acceptable. --23prootie 14:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Redirect Category:ASEAN to Category:Association of Southeast Asian Nations. -- Prove It (talk) 14:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment This nomination pre-empts an ongoing debate, CfD 03/03/07 - Category:Association of Southeast Asian Nations (nomination to rename Association of Southeast Asian Nations to ASEAN). I would suggest that it is withdrawn in favour of the debate of the 3rd.


 * X damr talk 02:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Follow the categories for EU, NATO, etc. Meanwhile, it is important to note Wikipedia should not be western-centric. E.g., NAFTA and OAS are not well known outside the western hemisphere. Passer-by 22:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep either way redirect. Passer-by 22:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose, keep ASEAN use the full name as a redirect. 132.205.44.134 23:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * anonymous !votes are not normally permitted. anthony cfc  [ talk] 22:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Anonymous votes are permitted, although they (as indeed can 'logged-in' votes) may be discounted by the closing admin if circumstances dictate. cf WP:CFD.  Strikethrough removed.


 * X damr talk 23:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose, keep ASEAN. Does a person some Romania knows what "ASEAN" is? -- Howard  the   Duck  09:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename. It is an acronym that is not well know. Vegaswikian 01:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Reneame As not a well-known acronym. Alex43223Talk 21:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Wilderness Areas of Georgia
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The result of the debate was rename. anthony cfc [ talk] 06:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Rename Category:Wilderness Areas of Georgia to Category:Wilderness Areas of Georgia (U.S. state)
 * Moved discussion from speedy because an objection was raised. Neutral.  --RobertG ♬ talk 09:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Wilderness Area is purely U.S. designation. - Darwinek 12:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Support rename You may know that, but what about the rest of us? (And anyhow, how can you be sure?) LukeHoC 23:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename - The disambiguation for all references to either Georgia are useful. Dr. Submillimeter 10:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per above. Resolute 14:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per conventions of Category:Geography of Georgia (U.S. state) -- Prove It (talk) 15:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't it be renamed to Category:Wilderness areas of Georgia (U.S. state) (lower case "a" in "areas" because its used as a term, not a name)? -- P199 17:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You're probably right, but we ought to change all the members of Category:Wilderness Areas of the United States at the same time. -- Prove It (talk) 03:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * rename per nom for all reasons listed. Actually, each object seem to be named 'f00 Wilderness'.  It looks like 'area' is tacked on on the end when talking about groups of them to avoid having to deal with the plural of 'wilderness', as in 'wildernesses' or something! Hmains 01:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename Category:Wilderness areas of Georgia (U.S. state). The state should always be disambigged, as this is an international encylopedia. Also, speedy rename all of the Cateogry:Wilderness Areas of the United States as suggested by P199.  young  american  (ahoy hoy) 20:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:SYN 907
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  14:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * syn 907


 * Delete as per nom. -- P199 17:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Edmonton's Baseball History
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The result of the debate was rename Category:Edmonton's Baseball History to Category:Baseball in Edmonton, category description now at Baseball in Edmonton. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:12, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * edmonton's baseball history


 * Move text to Baseball in Edmonton and rename category as Category:Baseball in Edmonton - This is the case of an article written in category space. The text should be moved to an appropriate article.  Although no equivalent baseball categories can be found for other Canadian cities (although several "sports in city" categories do exist), this subdivision makes sense, and the category should be kept. Dr. Submillimeter 10:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Split and rename per nom and Dr. Submillimeter. Suggested naming convention is the best option. Resolute 14:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
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Tokyo-area station categories
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The result of the debate was up-merge each stations category to its line category. --RobertG ♬ talk 09:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Category:Stations of Negishi Line to Category:Negishi Line
 * Category:Stations of Ome Line to Category:Ome Line
 * Category:Stations of Sagami Line to Category:Sagami Line
 * Category:Stations of Saikyo Line to Category:Saikyo Line
 * Category:Stations of Sobu Main Line to Category:Sobu Main Line
 * Category:Stations of Jōban Line to Category:Jōban Line
 * Category:Stations of Joetsu Shinkansen to Category:Joetsu Shinkansen
 * Category:Stations of Keihin-Tōhoku Line to Category:Keihin-Tōhoku Line
 * Category:Stations of Keiyo Line to Category:Keiyo Line
 * Category:Stations of Nambu Line to Category:Nambu Line
 * Category:Stations of Narita Line to Category:Narita Line
 * Category:Stations of Shonan Shinjuku Line to Category:Shonan Shinjuku Line
 * Category:Stations of Sotobo Line　to Category:Sotobo Line
 * Category:Stations of Takasaki Line　to Category:Takasaki Line
 * Category:Stations of Tōhoku Main Line　to Category:Tōhoku Main Line
 * Category:Stations of Tōkaidō Main Line　to Category:Tōkaidō Main Line
 * Category:Stations of Yamanote Line　to Category:Yamanote Line
 * Category:Stations of Yokohama Line　to Category:Yokohama Line


 * Upmerge, Per discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 2. The station articles are unnecessary given how underpopulated the line parent line categories are, and add an extra step to navigation. Ytny (talk) 04:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to per nomination. Neier 04:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to per nomination.--Endroit 15:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Scottish Americans
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The result of the debate was redirect. --RobertG ♬ talk 09:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge / Redirect into Category:Scottish-Americans, obviously a redirect is needed here, category:American people by ethnic or national origin is inconsistant. -- Prove It (talk) 04:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment: I have made the redirect. Nothing more needs to be done. I think this is best to leave redirected instead of redlinked, since it's probably a common mistake (if it can even be called a "mistake") — coe l acan — 03:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Sculptors who exhibited at the 3rd Sculpture International
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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 09:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete, this seems like performers by performance to me. Do you agree? -- Prove It (talk) 04:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - Categorizing sculptors by every exhibition that they appear in will be infeasible; the large lists of categories will be difficult to read and use. Dr. Submillimeter 10:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, agree with above. -- P199 17:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree with above. This would work as a list in an article but not as a category tag on every artist article who appeared. Dugwiki 17:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Doczilla 06:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Museums in England
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The result of the debate was merge all into Category:Museums in England. Angus McLellan (Talk) 10:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Museums in Staffordshire
 * Category:Museums in Stoke-on-Trent
 * Category:Museums in the West Midlands
 * Merge all into Category:Museums in England. Note all three of these contain the same two museums. -- Prove It (talk) 03:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge all The visitor attractions categories provide sufficient breakdown at a local level within England. Haddiscoe 18:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge all for the reason above. It isn't on my watchlist, but I vote nevertheless. TheBlazikenMaster 21:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Medieval and Renaissance hill towns in Italy
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge both.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  14:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge into Category:Italian hilltowns, see also discussion of January 28th. Stub article in category space. -- Prove It (talk) 02:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge both into Category:Hilltowns in Italy per convention for places. Haddiscoe 13:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge both into Category:Hilltowns in Italy. Piccadilly 18:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


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Keep as is. This category has factual and historical merit and very specific criteria for inclusion. MGerety


 * DO NOT MERGE, RETAIN MGerety is right. In fact, the category Hilltowns in Italy was improperly substituted for  Italian Hilltowns after a finding of no consesus.  Medieval and Renaissance hill towns in Italy  are important in Italy's.   SilviaManno 12:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)Silvia Manno
 * DO NOT MERGE, RETAIN Just to repeat my above comment now that I myself have been undeleted. Also why wasn't this original merege proposal posted at the category itself? Many a PhD thesis  has been written on the subject of these townsm the communities that inhabited them down to the construction tecniques used,  MGerety 13:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)MGerety

Category:Tuskegee Institute alumni
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  14:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Tuskegee University alumni, Tuskegee Institute is a redirect to Tuskegee University. -- Prove It (talk) 01:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Jwillbur 23:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Louisiana counties
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 * The result of the discussion was: redirect.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  14:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge / Redirect into Category:Louisiana parishes, convention of Louisiana. -- Prove It (talk) 01:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * merge/redirect per nom. This is a correct distinction of names. Hmains 02:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge or Redirect is fine, but I think complete Deletion of the category is better.Speaking as a lifelong resident of Louisiana, since my state doesn't have counties - Parishes instead - calling them counties is misleading and inaccurrate. I have felt the Wiki should always strive for accurracy and characterizing Louisiana's parishes as counties doesn't accomplish that.--Avazina 05:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Avazina. Louisiana has no counties. Dating back to its Napoleonic history, it has parishes. Doczilla 10:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete All of these articles are already in Category:Louisiana parishes, there is nothing to merge. Not sure what purpose a redirect on a category would serve. Resolute 14:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 1. It helps people find what they are looking for. 2. It prevents someone else from recreating this "missing" category. -- Prove It (talk) 15:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect per nom. Many people are unaware of Louisiana's unconventional naming scheme and the couty construction is a likely possible search term. Otto4711 18:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect what Otto said - it's a likely search term. Jwillbur 23:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, okay, redirect per Otto. Good point about the search term. Doczilla 06:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Otto. Even if you know that LA has parishes, and that parishes are an administrative region of some sort, you may not know that they are equivalent to counties, or that LA doesn't have counties.  I didn't.  Xtifr tälk 11:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The culprit is Template:Infobox U.S. County, which automatically applies ; the same problem is present with the Alaskan borough articles.  This of course means that the categories can't be removed from the articles without changing the template to exclude Alaska and Louisiana from the category tagging (which I don't yet know how to do), or removing the template entirely.  I left a message about this problem on the template talk page.  Seriously, when has categorization-by-template not been more trouble than it's worth?  Postdlf 22:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect and Category redirect to parishes... re this talk, this is good place for first official use. // Fra nkB 22:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional Americans by place subcategories
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The result of the debate was rename to Fictional characters from…. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming


 * Category:Fictional people from Alabama → Category:Fictional Alabamans
 * Category:Fictional people from Alaska → Category:Fictional Alaskans
 * Category:Fictional people from Arizona → Category:Fictional Arizonans
 * Category:Fictional people from Arkansas → Category:Fictional characters from Arkansans
 * Category:Fictional people from California → Category:Fictional Californians
 * Category:Fictional people from Colorado → Category:Fictional Coloradans
 * Category:Fictional people from Connecticut → Category:Fictional characters from Connecticut
 * Category:Fictional people from Georgia (U.S. state) → Category:Fictional Georgians (U.S. state)
 * Category:Fictional people from Idaho → Category:Fictional Idahoans
 * Category:Fictional people from Illinois → Category:Fictional Illinoisans
 * Category:Fictional people from Indiana → Category:Fictional Indianans
 * Category:Fictional people from Kentucky → Category:Fictional Kentuckians
 * Category:Fictional people from Louisiana → Category:Fictional Louisianians
 * Category:Fictional people from Maine → Category:Fictional Mainers
 * Category:Fictional people from Maryland → Category:Fictional Marylanders
 * Category:Fictional people from Massachusetts → Category:Fictional characters from Massachusetts
 * Category:Fictional people from Michigan → Category:Fictional Michiganders
 * Category:Fictional people from Minnesota → Category:Fictional Minnesotans
 * Category:Fictional people from Mississippi → Category:Fictional Mississippians
 * Category:Fictional people from Missouri → Category:Fictional Missourians
 * Category:Fictional people from Montana → Category:Fictional Montanans
 * Category:Fictional people from Nebraska → Category:Fictional Nebraskans
 * Category:Fictional people from Nevada → Category:Fictional Nevadans
 * Category:Fictional people from New Jersey → Category:Fictional New Jerseyans
 * Category:Fictional people from New Mexico → Category:Fictional New Mexicans
 * Category:Fictional people from North Carolina → Category:Fictional North Carolinians
 * Category:Fictional people from North Dakota → Category:Fictional North Dakotans
 * Category:Fictional people from Ohio → Category:Fictional Ohioans
 * Category:Fictional people from Oklahoma → Category:Fictional Oklahomans
 * Category:Fictional people from Rhode Island → Category:Fictional Rhode Islanders
 * Category:Fictional people from South Carolina → Category:Fictional South Carolinians
 * Category:Fictional people from Tennessee → Category:Fictional Tennesseeans
 * Category:Fictional people from Utah → Category:Fictional Utahans
 * Category:Fictional people from Vermont → Category:Fictional Vermonters
 * Category:Fictional people from Virginia → Category:Fictional Virginians
 * Category:Fictional people from Washington → Category:Fictional Washingtonians
 * Category:Fictional people from Washington, D.C. → Category:Fictional characters from Washington, D.C.
 * Category:Fictional people from West Virginia → Category:Fictional West Virginians
 * Category:Fictional people from Wisconsin → Category:Fictional Wisconsinites
 * Rename, It should be fictional characters, not people, as not all characters are people. Also I have looked up the names of what people are called by state and incorporated that as well where possible. If I got a name wrong, tell me and I will support the change. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 00:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename to Fictional characters from Foo. I agree that characters are not always human, but the Fooian notation often doesn't work very well. -- Prove It (talk) 01:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * rename per Prove It. Do not get get into adjective forms. Hmains 02:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * rename per Prove It's suggestion. --John Kenneth Fisher 02:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * rename per Prove It. Characters shouldn't need to be human in this context.--Mike Selinker 04:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per Prove It. Doczilla 10:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per Prove It. Bluap 15:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per Prove It. We rightfully moved away from using demonyms for subnational entities because they are obscure and often awkward.  Postdlf 21:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename and tag on as well.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 14:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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