Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 May 12



Category:Rivers in Ettelbruck

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * rivers in ettelbruck
 * Rename to Category:Rivers of Ettelbruck, by naming conventions for landforms, moved from speedy. -- Prove It (talk) 21:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose . Comment:  I disagree that there is a solid precedent on this. As a Londoner (and as London is probably the best-documented city on Wikipedia), I took the cue from . Bastin 14:32, 12 May 2007 (UTC) I don't oppose this move.  I merely opposed the assertion that it's straight-forward and uncontroverisal.  Hence, as long as its CfR instead of CfR-speedy, I don't particularly mind. Bastin 15:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * See Naming_conventions_%28categories%29. -- Prove It (talk) 15:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That's by country. What about by town or administrative division? Bastin 15:29, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: One should also add to this nomination and .  If a convention can be agreed upon, it should certainly include those, which I created at the same time. Bastin 15:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll include them in my umbrella nomination, along with the subcats of . -- Prove It (talk) 05:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Rivers in London

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * rivers in london
 * Rename to Category:Rivers of London, by naming conventions, moved from speedy. -- Prove It (talk) 21:47, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment it looks like members of ' all use the in' form. However, I don't think it makes sense to have one standard for countries, and another for counties.  If this succeeds, I'll nominate them all. -- Prove It (talk)'' 21:47, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This is a controversial proposal, as illustrated below.  Thus, not suitable for speedy. Bastin 15:29, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't particularly mind, so long as there is a debate. However, my vote in opposition was due to the denial of that debate by using the CfR-speedy procedure.  Using this one, I have no objection, so long as there isn't a precedent across other countries. Bastin 15:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia games

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 * The result of the discussion was: lack of consensus. I would suggest that a better way of tackling this would be by dropping the actual game pages on WP:MFD; if consensus is to delete those, this category should be deleted as empty.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Wikipedia games ([ edit]&#124;talk&#124;[ history]&#124;[ links]&#124;[ watch]&#124;[ logs]<tt>)</tt>

Guy (Help!) 21:29, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, fosters good-feeling among editors and allows them to explore articles they wouldn't have otherwise seen. Nardman1 22:57, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Which is a denial of WP:NOT a social network. We deleted Esperanza, too. Guy (Help!) 11:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Oliver Han 11:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - Fosters collaboration amongst editors. Things on Wikipedia do not have to be directly collaborative to be helpful/useful/worth keeping. (Else we should remove all vandal patrols, Rfa, etc.) - jc37 21:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as long as the pages in it exist. Where else are you going to categorize Wiki-Link Game, for example? Lesnail 20:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


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Railroad museums and tourist lines in the United States
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The result of the debate was no consensus, because it is unclear what the nominator intended. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:United States railroad museums and tourist lines <tt>(</tt>[ edit]<tt>&#124;</tt>talk<tt>&#124;</tt>[ history]<tt>&#124;</tt>[ links]<tt>&#124;</tt>[ watch]<tt>&#124;</tt>[ logs]<tt>)</tt>


 * Rename per nom. Oliver Han 11:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Er, what? I find it hard to tell what is being proposed to rename to what.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Structures celebrating the third millennium
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Structures celebrating the third millennium to Category:Buildings and structures celebrating the third millennium
 * Nominator's Rationale:


 * Rename per nom. Oliver Han 11:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Dave the Barbarian
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; given the low amount of articles and categories on this show, this supercat does not appear to be necessary.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Dave the Barbarian <tt>(</tt>[ edit]<tt>&#124;</tt>talk<tt>&#124;</tt>[ history]<tt>&#124;</tt>[ links]<tt>&#124;</tt>[ watch]<tt>&#124;</tt>[ logs]<tt>)</tt>


 * KeepHold your horses I'll make the other pages needed, I'm busy at the moment
 * Delete tv show cats are rarely useful. Anything can and should be linked from the article. Carlossuarez46 18:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as multiple subcategories and articles. Tim! 16:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Three articles, two legit subcats and one deprecated subcat. Hardly the volumes of complex material that would need a category to sort it out. Otto4711 19:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Dave the Barbarian cast members
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Dave the Barbarian cast members <tt>(</tt>[ edit]<tt>&#124;</tt>talk<tt>&#124;</tt>[ history]<tt>&#124;</tt>[ links]<tt>&#124;</tt>[ watch]<tt>&#124;</tt>[ logs]<tt>)</tt>


 * Delete as Actors by series, or Performers by performance. -- Prove It (talk) 00:54, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, there are lots of cast member categories and if they don't get deleted, then neither should this one and if this does get deleted I'll re-create it the next time I see a cast member category. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AKR619 (talk • contribs).
 * Comment - It has been well established through any number of CFDs that categorzing actors by the shows in which they appear is overcategorization. A huge percentage of the existing cast categories have been deleted over the last several months and that process is continuing. Threatening to disrupt Wikipedia by recreating deleted material is generally not a good way to get your point across. Otto4711 05:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Echoing what Otto said: We should get rid of those cast member categories as fast as possible to avoid new creations like this.--Mike Selinker 14:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Experienced editors can help. The list of categories to be listified is here. I believe there are about 65 in the queue. Vegaswikian 21:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks to all of those who helped out. The queue is now empty. Vegaswikian 02:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Doczilla 07:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The anon keeper seems to be threatening a disruption. Carlossuarez46 18:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and numerous precedents. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:42, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as actors by series category. Tim! 16:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And we should make an exception to the strong consensus and numerous precedents against such categories...why exactly? Otto4711 18:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:The Drew Carey Show
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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 * 'Delete TV show cats are rarely useful. Anything can and should be linked from the article. Carlossuarez46 18:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Music in Skins
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. Abberley2 20:45, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 18:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Skins actors
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Skins actors <tt>(</tt>[ edit]<tt>&#124;</tt>talk<tt>&#124;</tt>[ history]<tt>&#124;</tt>[ links]<tt>&#124;</tt>[ watch]<tt>&#124;</tt>[ logs]<tt>)</tt>


 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 18:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and lots of performer by performance precedents. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as actors by series category. Tim! 16:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And we should make an exception to the strong consensus and numerous precedents against this sort of category for what reason? Otto4711 19:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete to continue the consensus against this class of category. I believe that all of the other ones, including the logical parent being suggested above, have already been deleted.  Vegaswikian 21:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Buddhist deities, boddhisatvas, and demons
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 * The result of the discussion was: unclear. Suggest renomination with a clear suggestion to rename it to.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * buddhist deities, boddhisatvas, and demons
 * buddhist deities, bodhisattvas, and demons


 * Did you nominate the right category? I know there was a problem with a template at the time and that may have allowed you to miss the error.  Vegaswikian 19:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment I don't see what is wrong with this. If there is a punctuation mistake that I'm not seeing, it can be fixed by renaming.  I see no reason to delete. Lesnail 20:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong keep Aminullah 11:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, ideally renaming without final comma to :buddhist deities, bodhisattvas and demons Johnbod 03:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Cupid (TV series)
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * cupid (tv series)


 * Delete TV show cats are rarely useful. Anything can and should be linked from the article. Carlossuarez46 18:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Melrose Place
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * melrose place


 * OK, can someone explain why today suddenly I'm getting the gobbledy-gook instead of the proper category links? Otto4711 18:03, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like a bad edit. I think it is fixed now. Vegaswikian 19:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete TV show cats are rarely useful. Anything can and should be linked from the article. Carlossuarez46 18:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Notable Shastris
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * notable shastris
 * Delete, as unrelated subjects with shared names. -- Prove It (talk) 14:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Abberley2 20:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Oliver Han 11:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. All these people should be on Shastri (disambiguation) so that if you wanted to find the right Shastri having landed on the wrong one, you'd be able to. Carlossuarez46 18:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Seiyū management companies
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Seiyū management companies to Category:Japanese voice actor management companies
 * Nominator's Rationale:
 * It's not really clear to me that the name of the other category is the one that's correct, since the article about the profession is at Seiyū and not Japanese voice actor. Can you clarify this? Dekimasu よ! 07:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There is which is probably why there is not a, since it would break that naming scheme.  Stubs are also marked with japan-voice-actor-stub, etc.  So, although the article is titled Seiyū, most of the rest of the time, it seems the Japanese word is replaced with English. Neier 11:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Rename - The English term "Japanese voice actor" is more easily understood by English speakers than "Seiyu". Dr. Submillimeter 09:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:666 Satan (Manga)
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename, and if the "religious, over-caffienated zealous [come] to complain", we'll tell them that Wikipedia is not censored.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 666 satan (manga)
 * Rename to Category:666 Satan, to match 666 Satan, disambiguation is not needed. -- Prove It (talk) 13:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - the category has three articles, each of which has at least one other category, and a sub-cat. This categoyr is not needed for navigational purposes. Otto4711 14:36, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - the category was made inorder to keep pages organized, i made the category inorder to do just that, and i modeled it after the same way other articles have it, and it did not have 3 articles there were 5. AND as the creator of this Category i should be informed about this discussion but i was not... now something just doesn't add up here now does it... Ancientanubis ,  talk  16:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually it is your choice to be informed or not. If you selected to not watch the page, that was a change you made by choice.  If you choose to not use your watchlist, that is another choice you made.  But the nomination would have show up in your watchlist if the category was included.  If it did not, then there is a bug. Vegaswikian 22:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename as nominated. Prove It is correct that the disambiguator isn't needed.--Mike Selinker 17:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * my reason as to throw (manga) in front of it was to not confuse it with number of the beast.... Ancientanubis ,  talk  17:13, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Pre disambiguation is something that is discouraged. This is what you have created.  The number of the beast may be 666 but it is not 666 Satan so there should not be any confusion.  Or am I missing something?  Vegaswikian 22:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * keep Ok where to start? First off as a half Christen, half Jew person I do go to church every now and then (about once a month), and the priest there told me once that 666 Satan and 666 can be used interchangeably. I've also been to other churches across the country (Every state except for Virginia, Rhode Island, Alaska, and Hawaii) and have gone to church there as well. My point being that each priest used 666 Satan and 666 interchangeably. Oh and I've been to Catholic churches in France, England, Spain, Germany, Poland, and Holland and they too use 666 Satan and 666 interchangeably. So it can be said that it is the same thing. Sam ov the blue sand  23:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * keep Not this again... what is it with people's obbession with trying to modify 666 Satan? Its correctly titled as it is since it refers to the manga. Next thing you know, we change it to Cat: 666 Satan and here come the religious, over-caffienated zealous to complain that it should be changed to 666 Satan (Manga) and refered to under disambiguation while Cat: 666 Satan should be used for all religious articles in reference. Please leave it alone and keep it at that. Thank you.Evilgohan2 19:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Why the objection to having the article and category using the same name? Vegaswikian 21:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think its because we here at wikipedia usually pride ourselves in keeping things very organized so seeing us here try to not keep things organized is a little awkward.... Ancientanubis ,  talk  00:34, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't mind it as well, but theres no point in creating ambiguity. Evilgohan2 03:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Rename- if the disambiguation were needed, then the article would have it as well. I wouldn't object to the article being moved to 666 Satan (Manga) instead, but the category and main article need to match. Lesnail 14:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * and to be honest i'd have no problem moving 666 Satan to 666 Satan (Manga), i mean it helps to better organize pages so why not.... Ancientanubis ,  talk  16:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Rename to match main article The main article is title 666 Satan, and category names should almost always match the spelling of their main article. Since "manga" doesn't appear in the article title, it shouldn't appear in the category title either. Dugwiki 20:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete or if kept Rename to Category:666 Satan. Deletion should really be considered.  Most magma series only need the parent article listed in the magma series category.  This category is really best covered in the main article since it is not really that large.  Given that there is no need for membership in multiple categories, a template may also be a preferred solution to a category.  Vegaswikian 02:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename to match the article, or at the very least fix the title so that (Manga) is lowercase. --tjstrf talk 07:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional magic users
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 * The result of the discussion was: listify. The problem with "is a user of magic in any way whatsoever" and "depending on artistic license" is that it groups a lot of characters that are not meaningfully related, given that "magic" means very different things in different settings. Merlin's powers are entirely diffent from Gandalf's, and both are different from Khelben Blackstaff. Rincewind is a wizard who is incapable of using magic, and in Isaac Asimov's books, the "magic user" is actually an alien with high-level technology - does that mean all high-tech aliens are magic users? Why or why not? A second problem is that in some settings, the term "magic" is ill-defined. Are the metas from Julian May's books "magic users"? Why or why not? What about Corwin of Amber and family, or the Witted from Robin Hobb's books? And whether divine intervention qualifies as magic depends on whom you ask. Since it requires an explanation why a character is or is not considered a "magic user", this should be a list rather than a category, as suggested by both WP:CLS and WP:OCAT. I'll reiterate that changing a category to a list is not a loss of information.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Category:Fictional magic users - Vague inclusion criteria. (Essentially the same reasons as the TK nomination below.) - jc37 10:40, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Listify and Delete - as nominator. - jc37 10:40, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Listify and Delete per nominator Bulldog123 21:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, but keep subcats which are much less vauge--Piemanmoo 03:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete for vague inclusion criteria. Doczilla 07:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd actually say keep. Problem is, a lot of these characters are similar in a lot of ways and the category inclusion is almost occupational. Category restrictions are getting so tough, it makes me wonder why there's a category system at all :P. I don't think the inclusion category is that vague anyway. "Is a user of magic in any way whatsoever" covers it. For example, we have a category of fictional plumbers... but since the rename of "fictional magicians" we don't have any strong category to group say Doctor Strange, Doctor Fate, Zatanna and John Constantine. I think the inclusion criteria should mirror that of the real world, and as such depends on the artistic license and how characters identify within the original media, which is how this category has worked and operated without problem since it's original creation as "fictional magicians".~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 12:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * A way to "save" the concept, at least, would be to break down the main cat into subcategories. But even then the inclusion criteria would likely be subjective and arbitrary. That's often the trouble with fictional character related categories, the definition of a term is limited only by an author's imagination. - jc37 21:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete impossibly POV and vague; one person's "magic" is another's "prayer" or "divine intervention". Carlossuarez46 18:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * But "magic" is the most broad, easily-defined term available, encompassing "significantly advanced technology", divine intervention etc. etc. If the decision is to delete, definitely keep the subcategories which establish their own independent criteria.~<b style="color:purple;">Zythe</b>Talk to me! 20:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The thing is, by that definition anything that is superhuman can be considered magic. Which, of course, makes this a rather useless category. - jc37 11:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep per Zythe; unique, unambiguous category that fills a needed role in the fictional character category scheme. If you delete this, you might as well nominate the rest of Category:Fictional characters by occupation and Category:Fictional characters by nature, because there are few fictional character categories less obvious or more thematically appropriate than this one. -Sean Curtin 01:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - this category is the grandparent cat. for Category:Magic users in comics. Still, I don't see what's so vague about it. There are several types of magic uses out there in fiction and, instead of creating & naming all the categories on their respective names (black magic, white magic, etc.) one category should make do as the name for all of them.  ~ I&#39;m anonymous
 * Keep, there is nothing vague about grouping people who use abilities that are described as magical within their universes. --tjstrf talk 07:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep, Zythe and Curtin hit the nail on the head. TheJoust 20:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters with telekinesis
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 * The result of the discussion was: listify. if it's "difficult to define" as Piemanmoo suggests, then it is not a "valid category", but should be a list instead - see also unclear inclusion criterion. Aside from that, it is indeed a problem that this category attracts characters with "nebulous do-anything powers", as Sean states - for these people, telekinesis is not a defining characteristic. Since it requires an explanation why a character does or does not "have telekinesis", this should be a list rather than a category, as suggested by both WP:CLS and WP:OCAT. I'll reiterate that changing a category to a list is not a loss of information.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Category:Fictional characters with telekinesis - Vague inclusion criteria. The problem is that the definition of "Telekinesis" (TK) has become more than just lifting a rock in the air. It's become a "way" to have superhuman powers. (Essentially the ability to "move" anything with your mind, through mental action, rather than through physical action.) Since the ability to "move" atoms has now been considered TK (see Jean Grey, for example), nearly every superhuman power listed at List of comic book superpowers can be done or duplicated using TK. So, since the application, and limits of each user in their TK ability needs defining, this is better grouped as a list, per WP:CLS. - jc37 10:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Listify and Delete - as nominator. - jc37 10:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Listify and Delete per nominator. If possible, merge into a parent list of fictional people with supernatural powers Bulldog123 19:45, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep as it is still a valid category, albeit difficult to define just like Fictional characters with superhuman strength. If possible, we should create subcategories for such variations as mutants (like Jean Grey) with TK, or ones that use it as an facet of other abilities like magic, such as wizards and witches. Come to think of it, they shouldn't have this category on their pages for that same reason. Since characters that use magic are all, in effect capable of telekiesis, those should be removed. That'll cut out a lot of useless additons right there.--Piemanmoo 03:49, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Listfy and delete for vague inclusion criteria. Doczilla 07:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and listify (or not), cannot objectively tell who's in and who's out. Carlossuarez46 18:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and clean up. Most of what's in here is used for characters with magical, nebulous "do anything" powers, rather than a stricter definition of psychokinesis. Since telekinesis redirects to (and is essentially a subset of) psychokinesis, this should also be renamed to Category:Fictional characters with psychokinesis. -Sean Curtin 01:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Which is a direct arguement for listifying to explain each manifestation and/or usage. - jc37 11:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - per reasons stated by Piemanmoo; however, a rename to Category:Fictional characters with psychokinesis would make more sense for consistency with the article in question. Any thoughts on this?  ~ I&#39;m anonymous


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Category:Health Promotion
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The result of the debate was no consensus, since there was no clear proposal. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:31, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I would have to disagree with the category that Health Promotion has been placed... i believe it should be put into a health care genre, not specific to an occupation.(it is currently placed in a nursing category)

as meantioned in the ottawa charter, which was extensively quoted with the health promotion wiki, health promotion doesnt just occur in hospital settings. the portion of the ottawa charter that discusses re-orienting of health services ie: allowing access to health care and information, is also a reason as to why health promotion should be placed in a more general health care category

additionally, those that promote health arent only nurses... doctors, community development workers, health promotion officers, allied health clinicans etc

therefore i feel that it is appropriate that the health promotion wiki should be moved to a different, more generalised health category WikiGremlin 10:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * What exactly are you suggesting? Merge this category? Where?  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Probably linked to public health, as opposed to a particular occupation. WikiGremlin 07:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Arimaa
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * arimaa


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Category:Asia Miles
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * asia miles


 * Delete Not a defining characteristic for other airlines. Greg Grahame 12:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't see a reason to not follow past consensus.  Vegaswikian 22:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete non-defining. Carlossuarez46 18:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Templates for deletion
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Templates for deletion to Category:Wikipedia templates for deletion
 * To follow other top/near-top level template subcategories of . David Kernow (talk) 06:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Rename as nom. David Kernow (talk) 06:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * midnight in the garden of good and evil


 * Delete per nom. Greg Grahame 12:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Doczilla 07:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 18:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Foundations of Belgium
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Foundations of Belgium to Category:Foundations based in Belgium


 * Merge, to duplicate that follows the conventional form. Wilchett 02:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Greg Grahame 12:47, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


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Category:People associated with Dark Shadows
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  21:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * people associated with dark shadows

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 * Delete per nom. Greg Grahame 12:47, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per all the other vague "associated with" categories. Doczilla 07:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. & per Doczilla. Carlossuarez46 18:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


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