Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 October 9



Category:General Presidents of the Young Men and Young Women

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The result of the debate was rename all. Kbdank71 16:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:General Presidents of the Young Men to Category:General presidents of the Young Men organization of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
 * Category:General Presidents of the Young Women to Category:General presidents of the Young Women organization of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Rename per nom. The category name are rather verbose, but shorter ones would be ambiguous to the reader. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional Irish-Americans

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Kbdank71 16:47, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose deletion Category:Fictional_Irish-Americans
 * Nominator's rationale:,

Keep per Otto. On this side of the Atlantic, it is well known that you are Irish if your dog is called Paddy. Johnbod 02:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - in the absence of a wider discussion of the entire Category:Fictional European Americans structure. Otto4711 21:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - because the category is subjective, there is no hard-and-fast rule about how much Irish ancestry constitutes being an Irish-American, and the category isn't serving a useful purpose as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong). A discussion of the entire fictional European Americans structure would be good, though. -- Noneofyourbusiness 21:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom as well as above agreement to delete. Category is subjective and is overcategorized and matches other categories that have been deleted such as those included in WP:OC.CelticGreen 01:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And which "side of the Atlantic" do you claim to hail from. And it is my understanding you can't "keep" per a person's reply, you have to offer your own opinion.CelticGreen 02:19, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, if your opinion is the same as another user's you can cite their rationale. It's the same you saying "Delete per nom." MrBlondNYC 04:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep as part of the structure of Category:Fictional European Americans; it's pointless to delete one subcat rather than deleting the entire set of categories. -Sean Curtin 06:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Copied from my own talk page. In regards to categorizing fictional people on television:  In all honesty, this categorization of fictional people is by and large ridiculous.  What exactly is the point to categorizing fictional people on television where heritage changes at the hiring of a new head writer?  EJ Wells is a perfect example.  James Scott was hired to be a British racecar driver with a mysterious past.  New headwriter comes along and all of the sudden we're supposed to believe he's part Italian and what?  Did anyone ever know what Susan was?  Not likely.  That's the problem.  And how funny does it look having a tall Brit categorized as a fictional Italian (if he is, don't know) but if you believe the new HW for Days' we are supposed to believe EJ is Italian.  This is why I disagree with the entire concept of "Fictional Irish-Americans" or are they "Fictional American-Irish" because they are Irish by decent but American by birth.  This is why the categorization of fictional characters with ever changing backgrounds is a odd concept by Wikipedia.IrishLass0128 12:12, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep this is not an eponymous category. Tim! 16:45, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Irish by citizenship or ethnicity? If by citizenship, then fictional immigrants to Ireland are in, but all non-human characters are out unless fictional Irish setters carry passports. If by ethnicity, how Irish must the fictional character be and what reliable source tells us that its at least that much? Again, hard to find what the pedigree would be for non-human characters, but find it we must to be objective in keeping this. And additionally, are all fictional characters invented by real people who fit whatever definition of Irishness we decide upon also Irish unless proven otherwise? Since we cannot agree on a NPOV solution without arbitrariness, the category cannot stand and should be deleted. Carlossuarez46 03:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete strongly per Carlos Bulldog123 06:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Otto. The Fictional European American category and all subcats should be discussed first instead of just picking one at random. MrBlondNYC 04:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The occurrence of occasional miscategorization or change is not a reason to remove the category altogether. And it makes no sense to discuss these one at a time. DGG (talk) 00:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that discussion of the whole infrastructure is better, but perhaps that should wait 'til we see what happens to this example. Also, the problem is not occasional miscategorization, it's that no objective guideline exists at all for categorization (of people who are not direct immigrants from Ireland, at least). -- Noneofyourbusiness 00:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional Irish people

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Kbdank71 16:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose deletion Category:Fictional_Irish_people
 * Nominator's rationale:,


 * Keep in the absence of a wider discussion of the extensive Category:Fictional characters by origin structure but in the interim rename to Category:Fictional Irish to match the vast majority of the other subcategories of the by origin structure. Otto4711 20:59, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete but could entertain the idea of renaming with enough discussion. The category is small and addition to the category regarding television characters seems to cause confusion. Perhaps a more defined explation of the category.CelticGreen 00:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename category:Fictional Irish people (lowercase "people"). Keep. 65 articles and 6 subcategories is small?--Mike Selinker 00:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes, 65 articles is small in comparison to the total number of articles on Wikipedia, go check out other categories and a minor sampling of those in this category. It's already the name you proposed, lower case P but that's insignificant and makes little to no sense in regard to changing the category, but you can elaborate.  There were other categories "Fictional African Americans" (I believe) that were deleted as overcategorized.  This falls into the same.  Opinion (but that is what this section is about, opinions on keep or delete), the subcategories are redundant and why at least one is up for deletion.  Personally, I find it bothersome that an admin would suggest renaming an article to the name it technically already holds and that said admin didn't know that information.CelticGreen 01:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My bad. For some reason I saw that as an uppercase P, when of course it's not. (You could be a little more polite about it, though.)--Mike Selinker 01:57, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I could, but I prefer to be honest. Fact is 65 is a small percentage when compared to total number of articles on Wikipedia.  The subcategories are redundant to the "main" category.  The category is also very subjective if you look at those included.  CelticGreen 02:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Otto and don't rename - the rest of the category goes "...Dutch people... Germans ... Greeks... French people..." so it is correct and consistent as it is. An "Irish" is a drink not a person. Johnbod 02:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Call me uppity but WTF do you mean by "An "Irish" is a drink, not a person"? How offensive are you trying to be? I'm an Irish woman and I am not a drink.CelticGreen 02:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Uppity wouldn't be the word - "an Irish" is a whiskey. Johnbod 02:19, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe where you are, but none of the states I've lived in. You should choose your words far more wisely than insult an entire nationality.  And, FYI, uppity means I'm not smiling while you insult me or my relatives.CelticGreen 02:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You seem to be spoiling for a fight with people who have no beef with you. Why?--Mike Selinker 08:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep as part of the structure of Category:Fictional characters by origin; it's pointless to delete one subcat by nationality instead of deleting all of them. -Sean Curtin 06:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - mainly in regards to categorizing television characters - how do you determine who is of "Irish" decent when you only know one side of one parent of someone's grandparent. Example: Shawn Brady was born in Ireland, but no one knows who his mother was.  He married Caroline Brady who's background has never been fully divulged.  She could be Irish, but we don't know her maiden name.  She had a son, Roman Brady.  Who had a daughter Sami Brady with Marlena Evans.  Is Sami Irish?  We don't know what Marlena is.  We don't fully know what Roman, Caroline, or Shawn is but for sake of argument, we'll assume Shawn was full Irish.  By the time you get down to Sami she could be less than an eighth Irish, so does she fall into the category??  This is the issue with the category as indicated. Fictional Irish people.  Who exactly qualifies as a fictional Irish person?IrishLass0128 12:18, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * These are all valid points, but they apply to the whole structure, not just the Irish categories, and also to non-fictional categories. They also don't afffect at all the vast majority of members here, like the characters of Father Ted. I would say all US citizen characters should only go in the Irish-American sub-cat, even if born in Ireland. Johnbod 14:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep this is not an eponymous category as described at WP:OC. Tim! 16:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Irish by citizenship or ethnicity? If by citizenship, then fictional immigrants to Ireland are in. If by ethnicity, how Irish must the fictional character be and what reliable source tells us that its at least that much? And additionally, are all fictional characters invented by real people who fit whatever definition of Irishness we decide upon also Irish unless proven otherwise? Since we cannot agree on a NPOV solution without arbitrariness, the category cannot stand and should be deleted. Carlossuarez46 03:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete strong per Carlos Bulldog123 06:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Otto. The Fictional characters by origin category and all subcats should be discussed first instead of just picking one at random. MrBlondNYC 04:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The occurrence of occasional miscategorization or change is not a reason to remove the category altogether. And it makes no sense to discuss these one at a time. DGG (talk) 00:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Why do you feel "it makes no sense"? I nominated a category that crossed with what I do.  As I've seen it there are no "rules" that state all of X category should be discussed at one time.  And it's not "occasional" it's pretty consistently miscategorized.IrishLass0128 12:19, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:California United States House elections, 2006

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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 16:35, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:California United States House elections, 2006 to Category:United States House of Representatives elections in California, 2006
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Rename per nom, for consistency. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Transport in Fermanagh

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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 16:35, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Transport in Fermanagh to Category:Transport in County Fermanagh
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Rename per nom. Johnbod 03:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:UK community radio

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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 16:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * uk community radio
 * Rename to Category:Community radio stations in the United Kingdom, convention of Category:Radio stations in the United Kingdom by format. -- Prove It (talk) 15:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


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Halloween songs

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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 16:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Category:Halloween songs

Nominated this category as the majority of songs in it make no mention of halloween, and it seems to be being used as a general "You could probably play this song at a Holloween party" tag rather than anything encyclopedic. Terrypin 15:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Question for nominator The category is tagged for deletion, but the nomination doesn't say that (although it implies deletion). Is deletion what you intend? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete' per nom because nearly none of the songs in the category are Halloween songs. There is no Devil in the craft, the devil is not the symbol of Halloween.  This category should not exist.CelticGreen 02:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Answer to Question Sorry, it's my first time nominating a category - yes, I'd intend deletion as I can't see the purpose of the category, so wouldn't think that renaming would make it any clearer. Terrypin 08:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom (OR, at best). Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 20:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and for heavens sake just because a song is about a witch doesn't mean it should be lumped in with "Halloween", that's just ridiculous. IrishLass0128 18:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:The Veronicas EPs

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The result of the debate was merge. Kbdank71 16:33, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * the veronicas eps
 * Merge into Category:The Veronicas albums, normally we don't distinguish between albums and EPs. -- Prove It (talk) 15:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge per ProveIt. Also, there are only two EPs. --lquilter 15:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Soulja Boy

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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 16:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * soulja boy


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete - per nom.  Onnaghar  talk ! review 15:26, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Just two categories, "albums" and "songs", each of which will be well-represented in the article. --lquilter 15:59, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Evermore EPs

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The result of the debate was merge. Kbdank71 16:31, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * evermore eps
 * Merge into Category:Evermore albums, normally we consider EPs to be albums. -- Prove It (talk) 14:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge and delete EPs are albums, overcategorization. Carlosguitar 04:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks men's basketball coaches

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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 16:31, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks men's basketball coaches to Category:Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks basketball coaches
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Upmerge to Category:College men's basketball coaches and Category:Stephen F. Austin State University. Small category with v limited potential for expansion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename. This is part of a well established structure.--Mike Selinker 08:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: To expand on my renaming rationale, there's no need to use "men's" and "women's" as disambiguation when a school uses different nicknames for men's and women's teams. If there's ever a need to create a category for SFA women's coaches, it can go into the established structure of Category:College women's basketball coaches at "Stephen F. Austin Ladyjacks basketball coaches". — Dale Arnett 15:03, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:United States presidential election templates, 2008

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete at request of category creator. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * united states presidential election templates, 2008


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Gaelic Athletic Association clubs

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The result of the debate was rename all. Kbdank71 16:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming:


 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Antrim to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Antrim
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Armagh to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Armagh
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Clare to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Clare
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Cork to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Cork
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Donegal to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Donegal
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Down to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Down
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Dublin to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Dublin
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Galway to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Galway
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Kerry to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Kerry
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Kildare to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Kildare
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Kilkenny to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Kilkenny
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Laois to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Laois
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Leitrim to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Leitrim
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Limerick to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Limerick
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Londonderry to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Londonderry
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Louth to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Louth
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Mayo to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Mayo
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Offaly to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Offaly
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Sligo to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Sligo
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Tipperary to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Tipperary
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Tyrone to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Tyrone
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Waterford to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Waterford
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Westmeath to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Westmeath
 * Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Wicklow to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Wicklow
 * Nominator's rationale: Include the word "county" in the category name of these GAA clubs, for consistency with similar proposed renamings for zillions of other by-county categories in Ireland (See CFD Oct 6 etc). For anyone who missed the extended rationale: each of these categories refers to a county of Ireland, which is a sensible division, because counties are the widely-used subdivisions of Ireland's four provinces. They are historically stable and use for local government, sports, elections to Dáil Éireann etc. The word "County" should be included in the sub-category names for clarity, because most Irish county have an eponymous county town. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:57, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Are there many more of these? Johnbod 02:08, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I think I have got them all. When all these renamings are done, I'll do a further check for any that have missed, and do one tidyup nomination for the stragglers. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:37, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The stragglers are at: CfD Oct 14#Even more Irish by-county categories. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Elections in California

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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 16:28, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Elections in California to Category:Local elections in California
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Rename per nom for clarity. I can't find any other local elections categories in the U.S., so can't see a precdent for the naming. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Sport in Ireland by locality

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The result of the debate was merge. Kbdank71 16:28, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Ireland by locality to Category:Sport in Ireland by county
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Rename per nom & the others. Johnbod 19:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Wetmorethraupis
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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 16:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * wetmorethraupis


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Category:Ohio election results
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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 16:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * ohio election results


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete per nom, speedy if it has been empty for long enough. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:New York election results
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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 16:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * new york election results


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete per nom, speedy if it has been empty for long enough. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:14, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Professional Warcraft 3 players
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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 16:25, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Professional Warcraft 3 players to Category:Professional Warcraft III players
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Rename per nom, should be Roman numeral. Carlosguitar 11:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom for consistency. Snocrates 04:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Science awards
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The result of the debate was merge. Kbdank71 16:25, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging Category:Science awards to Category:Science and engineering awards
 * Nominator's rationale:
 * Apparently the reasoning was to try to pare and refine Category:Engineering. --lquilter 18:43, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is the reason as there is a request from Wikipedia to pare down the category as unmanageable. Also, under Engineering Awards there were many that had nothing to do with engineering. It was actually humorous. Sort of like "Outhouse" ends up in an engineering category. But I don't care. I'm not going to try to clean up anything more at Engineering so the unmanageable and ridiculous  categorization under Engineering  can remain as far as I am concerned. If you consider Physics and Chemistry and Mathematics and every other remotely scientific article  as Engineering, fine with me. (Strange, in my field we are always kicking articles out that want to be in -- in Engineering you do the opposite!) (Also, I was told that when Engineers get to hell, the first thing they do is air condition the place.)  -- Mattisse  22:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There was no previous category for "Engineering awards"; just a generic category for "science and engineering awards" -- which although broad is definitely needed, since there are, in fact, a lot of awards that cover both. I've now created a subcategory for Category:Engineering awards, which is now the only cat in Category:Engineering; this keeps engineering clean. But Category:Science awards therefore stands as an unnecessary middle layer between Category:Science and engineering awards and the specific sub-categories (e.g., Category:Biology awards). --lquilter 22:23, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:North American Region
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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 16:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * north american region


 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Delete because it is redundant of North American countries. If there is a move afoot to switch everything over to "regions" that should be discussed separately. --lquilter 16:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep It is a well known region, and it is not redundat with the North American Countries, because that category is about all the countries in the continent, all the countries in Central America and the Caribbean, this one is only about the region, it's like saying, let's delete the Northern European Countries, because they are already included in the European Countries, it is just as important as any other sub-division of the Americas. Supaman89 18:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I don't think there's any consensus that North American Region means the three countries (Canada, the U.S.A. and Mexico) currently in this cat.  The term is, regrettably, vague. Spacepotato 18:48, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Continental North America (that in the 7 continents model includes the West Indies and Central America) must not be confused with the geopolitical region of North America. Separating the category is going to help users to identify and note the differences between the two terms. Also the concerns about "North America" as a region being vague, I think are not well funded, since the government of the three NA countries remarkably define the regions as containing only the three countries (region, not continent). For example North American Leaders' Summit contains sources about it.  Alex C.  <sup style="font-size:x-small; color:green;">( Talk? )  20:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * But who else defines it that way? what standard, international usage of "regions" includes "North America", that wikipedia is using? and is this part of an overall systemic approach? (also, why capitalize "Region"?)--lquilter 02:58, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. Perhaps I should have been clearer in the nomination. It's not so much that the concept of 'North America' can't be agreed upon, but only that we already have categories which fit the bill, and the (recently created) category nominated for deletion here is wholly redundant. Its present contents make it redundant with . Even if it were to be expanded to include entries other than country subcats, could those proposing to keep please clarify how it would be any different from the pre-existing and well-established ? What subcats and articles would you propose to be in that are not already, or could not be inserted, in ?  As a side note, agree that there's no reason to capitalise "region", anyways. --cjllw  ʘ  TALK 01:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep It is a well known region, and used by some international sport entities like CONCACAF, separating the North American continent in 3 regions, Central America, the Caribbean and North America, where North America just includes Canada, Mexico and the United States. JC 10:50, 12 October 2007 (PST)
 * Do we need to have a separate category (or category structure) to reflect every interest groups' groupings (outside of their own internal structures)? Even "international sports groups" might have quite a variety of approaches, and it's not clear from the category name whose definition applies. I see no reason why CONACAF (which also apparently includes a few South American countries) can't have its own internal structure and just place that within appropriate categories in the existing geographical structures. --lquilter 13:06, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. Well, if the capitalized R in region seems to be the main problem, we could just leave it in lowercase, but the category has to be kept, as users have explained, Concacaf was just one of many examples; we cannot try to hide a region that's obviously so important, regards. Supaman89 00:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't seem worthwhile to have a category for 3 States. An article should be able to address this grouping adequately and comprehensively contrast it with other "North American" groupings. If kept, at least uncapitalize "R". Snocrates 04:52, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom. Also, harks of North America (Americas), an article fork of North America created by the same proponents and duly deleted shortly afterward. Corticopia 19:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Women's Flat Track Derby Association teams
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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Women's Flat Track Derby Association leagues. Kbdank71 16:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Women's Flat Track Derby Association teams to Category:Women's Flat Track Derby Association members
 * Nominator's rationale:
 * I would favor Category:Women's Flat Track Derby Association leagues instead of Category:Women's Flat Track Derby Association members. Leagues seems to be more descriptive.  I do think it's good you're nominating this for change, so thanks. Fredsmith2 19:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Women's Flat Track Derby Association leagues. Looking at the articles confirms that they are about leagues. Vegaswikian 19:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


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Category:Diving
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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 16:19, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Diving to Category:Diving (underwater)
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * Rename per nom. A good solution to the problem left unresolved by the previous CfD on Sept 30. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:04, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom - I think everyone wanted this one last time. Johnbod 02:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


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