Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 April 13



Category:Philosophical Theology

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Black Falcon (Talk) 21:54, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Convert to article: Category:Philosophical Theology to article Philosophical theology
 * Delete Category:Philosophical Theology (nomination adjusted per comments below)
 * Nominator's rationale: Article masquerading as a category.  Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: Just one slight problem: there's already a full-blown article with that name. Perhaps a merger is in order. Cgingold (talk) 00:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that after I made the nomination and was trying to figure out what this meant should be done. Neither article is well-referenced, and the category one appears to be pretty much a non-wikified cut and paste of the article, so I'm fine with a straight delete in this case. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:13, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Children's museums in New England

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:Children's museums in the United States. Categories for specific states can be created as needed, and I note that at least a few have been created since this nomination. Black Falcon (Talk) 21:59, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * children's museums in new england


 * children's museums in the midwest


 * Nominator's rationale: Typically we classify visitor attractions by state and not by region. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:53, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Modifying nomination to Upmerge to Category:Children's museums in the United States. I don't think that these need upmerging from Category:Midwestern United States or Category:New England since they would roll up with the appropriate state category. I'm not sure we want to double or triple list a ton of subcategories by state and region.  Vegaswikian (talk) 07:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Creator comment I don't disagree, however please see this discussion on my talk page and the other half on the original commentor's talk page. Apparently there aren't enough to 'justify' state specific so I feel as if we're going round and round in circles on this absent any policy. As I said to the original commentor, state/small region is fine with me. Big region i.e. East doesn't help navigation. There are still a number to be classified from CM in the US and those that aren't yet categorized as I didn't have time to finish this week. Am happy to go wih consensus, so long as consensus doesn't change daily TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 22:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Basically they can stay in the main category. If there are several from one state, you can create a state category.  Once a reasonable number of states have categories, then you can add the others since it is clear that there is a series.  Vegaswikian (talk) 00:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Disagree on upmerge. There are a significant number of Children's musuems in the United States, many of which are not yet in the category. I think we do need sub-categories for state (keep in mind this discussion where consensus seems to be favoring keeping New York City). The issue here is there is no long-lasting consensus and it seems to change on a whim. I think US is far too broad of a category for useful categorization. Some states might not support, but you don't appear to want the regional. On the other hand, some think per city is fine and per state for New York was too broad. Off hand there are a number of states with more than enough: North Carolina, California and New York. Even above you said "If there are several from one state, you can create a state category. " Now you appear to be saying the opposite. I'm confused TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 15:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They need to be upmerged otherwise they will not be in any children's museum category. There is clearly a long lasting consensus as it applies to categories in general. Please don't confuse comments on your talk page as consensus.  I'll go out on a limb here.  If you wanted to add the children's museums by state to these articles, there will probably not be much comment from here especially if you make Category:Children's museums in the United States a child of Category:Categories by state of the United States after splitting these out into state subcats. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OK now I'm just confused. They're currently subcats of Children's museums in the United States, or at least they appear to be. What does upmerging do differently? I think we're having a terminology difference here. Also the CM in New York City is a discussion here, not talk page consensus. Talk page discussions seem to lead to categories being brought here...so that's why it would help to have a consensus of what is accepted. At least that's where I'm confused TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 19:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Rather simple. If you delete Category:Children's museums in the Midwest, The Children's Museum of Indianapolis is no longer in any children's museum category. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * So you're not proposing to eliminate the state cats but rather re-classify? I think I misunderstood what upmerge was, in which case my oppose above isn't an oppose TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 19:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The upmerge would place them in Category:Children's museums in the United States in order to keep them in a children's museum category. That would be preferred to a delete.  However, if they were all put in a state category for children's museums, then a delete would be the preferred action.  I'm OK with either solution. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:One Man Army and the Undead Quartet albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Black Falcon (Talk) 22:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * one man army and the undead quartet albums


 * Nominator's rationale: This category has two albums in it which is hardly helpful. Not a good category. Delete. Undeath (talk) 19:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep as always - part of the Category:Albums by artist scheme. Otto4711 (talk) 19:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep per ALBUM - Previous discussions have formed the consensus that a category for an artist's albums should be created even if they have only released one album (irrespective of whether they are likely to release more in the future). Lugnuts (talk) 19:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Would there be a way to take a new look at that policy? I just think it to be a bit worthless to have a category with only one album in it. It poses no help at all nor any educational value. Undeath (talk) 20:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * We do take a new look at that policy about every two months. Each time, the proposal ends with us either reaffirming the method of categorization or reaching no consensus. The last time was Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_January_29. I would suggest taking this to Category Talk:Albums by artist and starting a discussion there, as the closer recommended in the Jillian Hall discussion.--Mike Selinker (talk) 01:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. More could be released, for categorization purposes this is not relevant. Assume blind faith. — CharlotteWebb 15:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Sterling research fellow

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Black Falcon (Talk) 22:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * sterling research fellow


 * Nominator's rationale: Single article category, not clear what this even is. If it is retained, it should at least be renamed "... fellows" for pluralization. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - it's a category for fellows of the Sterling Research Fellowship at Yale but, given that the fellowship doesn't have an article at present there certainly isn't a need for the category at this time. Otto4711 (talk) 19:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per both. Johnbod (talk) 21:53, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom & Otto. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Otsego County, New York people

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. — CharlotteWebb 16:16, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Suggest merging Category:Otsego County, New York people to Category:People from Otsego County, New York
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge per standard at Category:People by county in New York.  brew crewer  (yada, yada) 18:09, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename for consistency. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Bellamy Brothers songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 14:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Bellamy Brothers songs to Category:The Bellamy Brothers songs
 * Nominator's rationale: Change requested per naming conventions; The Bellamy Brothers use "The" on their albums and have always been credited as "The Bellamy Brothers" on the charts; therefore, this category should be moved to reflect that. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 17:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom; also the article is The Bellamy Brothers. -- roundhouse0 (talk) 00:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Sega Mega Mouse

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Black Falcon (Talk) 21:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * sega mega mouse


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete - category only contains one article (I redirected the other it had) and does not actually categorize anything. Red Phoenix  (Talk) 16:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per Red Phoenix. Not a good category with only one article. Undeath (talk) 19:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Ch'an

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all. Kbdank71 14:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Ch'an to Category:Chan; similarly for subcategories Category:Ch'an Buddhists, Category:Ch'an Patriarchs, and Category:Ch'an temples.
 * Nominator's rationale: Per MOS:ZH and WP:NC-ZH, Hanyu Pinyin is preferred.  The apostrophe is Wade-Giles romanization. Bertport (talk) 14:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree I'm all for consistency in Romanization/Latinization. Also, "Patriarchs" should be lower case. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Duplicate Category:Zen Buddhists.  --Nlu (talk) 21:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename. Zen is the Japanese descendent of Chan. They do not have the same meaning.  Neither should be deleted as duplicate of the other.  Chinese Chan Buddhists would object to being called Zen Buddhists, and vice versa.Bertport (talk) 15:54, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Israeli footballers currently playing abroad

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 14:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Israeli footballers currently playing abroad to Category:Israeli expatriate footballers
 * Nominator's rationale: to fit already existing list of category pages under Category:Expatriate footballers by nationality, will require linking pages for former expatriate players to the page however. (no need to keep separate 'current' and former members of a list on a category page and to do so is not the convention on wikip) Mayumashu (talk) 00:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete this and other expatriate categories, how long does a footballer have to play abroad to qualify, and didn't some Israeli teams play in Cyprus during some recent war/insurgency going on in Israel? Not a meaningful distinction. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as hard-to-maintain "current" category. Like Carlossuarez46, I would also tend to side with deleting of expatriate categories that don't require currency. The immigrants/emigrants categories should be enough and used for those who make a permanent move. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. We don't (or shouldn't) categorize by currency, per WP:NCCAT.  That is what wikinews is for.  Playing for teams outside one's home country can be notable, and that hasn't seemed to be addressed by the delete proponents.  In Japan, much was made when Nakata started playing in Italy, and the perception that some barriers were broken by Troussier's (national coach at the time) encouragement for more players to leave Japan.  Japanese sports websites still go to great lengths to document the current crop of players in Europe, etc. Neier (talk) 23:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Category:Expatriate footballers is for footballers who are or have been under contract by professional teams outside their country of origin. In practice there is no difficulty deciding membership. -- roundhouse0 (talk) 15:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. In Europe a great many footballers play in countries other than that of their birth, but remain eligible to play for that country.  This is a legitimate category, which may well be of interest to those interested in football (soccer for those in USA), though not to me personally.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


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