Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 August 12



Category:United States-Iraqi relations

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 * The result of the discussion was: superseded by Categories for discussion/Log/2008 August 13. — CharlotteWebb 16:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:United States-Iraqi relations to Category:Iraq–United States relations
 * Nominator's rationale: Long dash, alphabetical order, consistent use of nouns. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This same nomination is included in the longer list nomination for 2008 AUG 13. Nom, should this one be closed in light of that? Good Ol’factory (talk) 11:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Georgian-Abkhazian conflict

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to to Category:Georgian–Abkhazian conflict (change dash, no consensus on name order). Kbdank71 13:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Georgian-Abkhazian conflict to Category:Abkhazian–Georgian conflict
 * Nominator's rationale: Two points: use of long dash per naming conventions, and my personal preference for alphabetical order for neutrality. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Support Makes sense to me. Kuralyov (talk) 22:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Use of en-dash is correct in this context; see WP:DASH. Normally I would support the alphabetical solution, but in this case the main article is at Georgian–Abkhazian conflict and Georgia is a state which is a member state of the United Nations and is widely recognized internationally, whereas Abkhazia is not a member of the UN and is recognized as soverign by no sovereign state or international organization, not even by Russia. Given that, I think it's entirely fair to place Georgia first when describing the conflict. By all means change the hyphen to an en dash, though. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:08, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just change the dash, per GO. Johnbod (talk) 03:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Canadian Soccer Hall of Fame

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 13:08, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Canadian Soccer Hall of Fame to Category:Canadian Soccer Hall of Fame inductees
 * Nominator's rationale: links to this cat page are with pages on inductees into this hall Mayumashu (talk) 19:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Near future technology

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Emerging technology. Kbdank71 13:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Near future technology to Category:Future technology
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The new name would be more inclusive. Plus, it is often difficult to predict exactly when technologies will become practical. Eliyak T · C 14:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Emerging technology to match both the lead article and List of emerging technologies. Otto4711 (talk) 23:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: there is also Category:Technology forecasting and it's corresponding article. Deamon138 (talk) 02:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Emerging technology per Otto in line with main article. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:38, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Olympic swimmers for Croatia

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename per established naming convention. — CharlotteWebb 19:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Olympic swimmers for Croatia to Category:Olympic swimmers of Croatia
 * Nominator's rationale: Follow convention. See Category:Olympic swimmers by country. Chanheigeorge (talk) 12:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Arizona Baseball

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 13:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * arizona baseball


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete. Duplicates the more complete Category:Baseball teams in Arizona Wolfer68 (talk) 06:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional baronies

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 13:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * fictional baronies


 * Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated, only one article Judgesurreal777 (talk) 06:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Under-used, rather than under-usable, I think. It seems like a reasonable concept for a category, perhaps we can do something to encourage its use by posting to relevant wikiprojects? Andy Dingley (talk) 14:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. I am going to be doing articles on several of the major countries from the All-World article for the Dark Tower wikiproject and a number of them would go in this category. Kuralyov (talk) 22:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Baronies in fictional states or similar. See existing Category:Fictional nobility & subs.  I think fictional nobility in actual countries should be distinguished from fictional nobility in fictional states, & making this distinction in these new "baronies" rather than "barons" cats is a good place toi start. The same goes for the earldoms below. Johnbod (talk) 03:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Fictional nobility unless it can be better populated before CFD closure. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * How can this (a description of geography) be merged with a categorization of the nobility? That seems confusing, to no obvious purpose. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional unincorporated communities

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge and delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:08, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * fictional unincorporated communities


 * Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated, only one article Judgesurreal777 (talk) 06:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that the incorporation status of a fictional community is really all that significant. Upmerge the one entry back to the parent category and delete. Bearcat (talk) 19:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional earldoms

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 13:02, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * fictional earldoms


 * Nominator's rationale: Category underpopulated, only one article Judgesurreal777 (talk) 06:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If kept, Rename to Category:Earldoms in fictional states or similar. See arguments at baronies just above. Johnbod (talk) 03:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Fictional nobility unless it can be better populated before CFD closure. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:00, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Jovial planets

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Gas giant planets. Kbdank71 12:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Jovial planets to Category:Giant planets
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. "Jovial" means "happy", clearly an inappropriate name. These are giant planets, and so the category should be so renamed. 70.55.85.40 (talk) 06:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment "jovial planet(s)" elicits 600ghits, "jovian planet(s)" 70,000 ghits, and "giant planet(s)" gets 400,000 google hits. 70.55.85.40 (talk) 06:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename to , per Gas giant. Grutness...wha?  08:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Better yet, Rename to . I thought perhaps the term had been superseded by something else, but apparently not. Since this is a category name, we should include the word "planets" for complete clarity. Anything but "Jovial" -- it's hard to see how a planet that full of gas could be happy... Cgingold (talk) 14:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Gas giant planets as per User:Cgingold. Spacepotato (talk) 22:14, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Gas giant planets. The category creator probably meant Jovian which pertains to the planet Jupiter. Otto4711 (talk) 23:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly -- I thought it was a nice bit of "found humor", to coin a phrase. Cgingold (talk) 09:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Eberron religions

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * eberron religions


 * Nominator's rationale: This category has no articles in it Judgesurreal777 (talk) 06:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete as empty Here because I&#39;m here (talk) 20:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Warhammer 40,000 deities

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete as empty category. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * warhammer 40,000 deities


 * Nominator's rationale: This article no longer contains any articles Judgesurreal777 (talk) 05:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Gandhi albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:49, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Gandhi albums to Category:Gandhi (Costa Rican band) albums
 * Nominator's rationale: There are two bands named Gandhi (Gandhi (disambiguation). —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Question Does Bios (Gandhi album) need to have any further disambiguation as well? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom and per Gandhi (Costa Rican band). What about the plain Bios (album)? Occuli (talk) 08:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Obviously Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:14, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Sub-Earths

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all. Kbdank71 13:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming:
 * Category:Sub-Earths to Category:Sub-Earth mass planets,
 * and Category:Sub-Jupiters to Category:Sub-Jupiter mass planets.
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to phrases used in the astronomical literature. The term "Sub-Earth" is generally not used by itself to denote a sub-Earth mass planet, and the term "Sub-Jupiter" is generally not used by itself to denote a sub-Jupiter mass planet. Spacepotato (talk) 03:06, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename per Spacepotato's reasoning. May I also draw your attention to this AfD? The creator of these articles, User:BlueEarth, has also created categories Category:Inter-Earths, Category:Interplanets, Category:Inter-Jupiters and Category:Sub-Jupiters. I'd argue the first three categories should be deleted and the last renamed to Category:Sub-Jupiter mass planets. Reyk  <sub style="color:blue;">YO!  02:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. The first three of these categories have been proposed for deletion already; see here, here, and here.  As for Category:Sub-Jupiters, I have added this to the nomination.  Spacepotato (talk) 03:06, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * comment he also created which I just nominated for renaming to giant planets. See Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_August_12 70.55.85.40 (talk) 06:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Support renaming, though the problem is that alot of planets only have lower bounds on mass... if the estimated upper bound lies beyond the cut-off, would it belong? 70.55.85.40 (talk) 05:46, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * comment I believe that "sub-jupiter", "super-jupiter", "super-earth" and "sub-earth" are a false categorization scheme. The usual distinction is if a planet is a giant planet, a brown dwarf, or the small non-giant planets (such as terrestrial planets). We don't divide stars into more than Solar mass and less than Solar mass, even though Solar mass is a unit of mass used to measure stars. So even though Jupiter mass and Earth mass are used to describe the masses of planets, they are not a valid categorization scheme. 70.55.85.40 (talk) 06:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose Rename prefer Deletion. Sub-Earth mass or Sub-Jupiter mass is an arbitrary choice that is not phsyically motivated (as opposed to say "Terrestrial planets" and "gas giants").  We could just as well create categories Sub-Saturian mass, Sub-Uranus mass, Greater-than-Mars mass, Farther-than-1 AU-planets, etc.  Sub-Jupiter mass would already apply to all planets in our solar system save Jupiter.  Just because something can be described as having property X doesn't mean that it makes a good category.  Categories should be structured around properties that are useful organizing tools, and I don't see that being the case here.  Dragons flight (talk) 17:44, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


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Category:People by city in New Zealand
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 12:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:People by city in New Zealand to Category:People by city or town in New Zealand
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. This contains subcategories for people from both cities and towns. As previously explained there is ambiguity about the use of the word "city" to describe New Zealand urban centres - government legislation changed the definition some 20 years ago, reducing some former cities to town status, but these towns still use the word city in their own by-laws and descriptions of themselves. At the time of the above-linked debate, Queenstown was the only questionable "non-city" with a subcategory of the currently-nominated category, but it's been joined by Waiuku and Oamaru, and also by Timaru, which may or may not be a city according to which side of the debate you support. As such, widening the official scope of this category will reduce any problems of definition. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom for the reasons well set out there. (As a side note: Really, you'd think we'd figure some way out to stop using "city", "town", etc. in category names in order to avoid complications like this and non-conformance across categories for different countries. Isn't there some all-purpose word that would work across all cultures for cities, towns, villages, settlements, etc. in all countries? Or is this a pipe dream?) Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. As for your question, the only other word that comes to mind is municipalities, but that's really not what you're looking for., of course, is the all-purpose category that serves as the super-cat for all of these categories. Cgingold (talk) 07:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename as per nom. I think the word you're searching for is 'locality', but I d prefer 'by city or town' to discourage having villages, unincorporated communities, and other lightly populated places having 'people from' cat pages  Mayumashu (talk) 04:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Suggest Category:People by place in New Zealand.  Peterkingiron (talk) 20:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The current proposal allows it to be a subcat of and, which is useful. Though your suggestion is shorter and simpler, it would be a less likely subcategory of those parents. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:54, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


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