Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 July 10



Category:Hurricane Dean (2007)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename Category:Hurricane Dean (2007) to Category:Hurricane Dean. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 10:06, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hurricane Dean (2007) to Category:Hurricane Dean
 * Nominator's rationale: The name was retired, meaning it will never be used again for a hurricane. Thus, the year is not needed. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 21:44, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - It might be true that there will be no future hurricanes named Dean, but that doesn't change the past. Wikipedia has an article on Hurricane Dean (1989). --Pinkkeith (talk) 14:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The category title should match the article title. I suggest either:
 * Move the article from Hurricane Dean to Hurricane Dean (2007) and make Hurricane Dean a disambiguation page, or:
 * Move the above category to Hurricane Dean per nom.
 * Knowing next to nothing about the relative "notability" of various hurricanes, I do not prefer one option over the other. — CharlotteWebb 18:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the 2007 storm was the stronger of the two. That would probably make it more notable.  Having said that, notability is not the same as primary use and diminishing current usage does not out way historical significance.  So I would agree with the aticle move but I'm not sure it could happen without some discussion.  Vegaswikian (talk) 23:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - small category with little or no growth potential. The main article serves as an appropriate navigational hub for the material, which is appropriately elsewhere categorized. Otto4711 (talk) 19:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * rename per nom This is the least drastic of the changes being reviewed. Hmains (talk) 02:24, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Windows IRC clients

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename Category:Windows IRC clients to Category:Windows Internet Relay Chat clients. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 23:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Windows IRC clients to Category:Windows Internet Relay Chat clients
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Apparent incomplete nomination from June. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename to match all other subcats of Category:Internet Relay Chat clients. -- KathrynLybarger (talk) 16:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


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More NGOs to decided format

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all, Category:India NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organisations based in India, et cetera. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 10:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming :Category:India NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organisations based in India
 * Category:Iran NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Iran
 * Category:Ireland NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organisations based in Ireland
 * Category:Israel NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Israel
 * Category:Italy NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Italy
 * Category:Japan NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Japan
 * Category:Kenya NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organisations based in Kenya
 * Category:Korea NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Korea
 * Category:Lesotho NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organisations based in Lesotho
 * Category:Lithuania NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Lithuania
 * Category:Malaysia NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organisations based in Malaysia
 * Category:Moldova NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Moldova
 * Category:Transnistria NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Transnistria
 * Category:Nepal NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Nepal
 * Category:Netherlands NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in the Netherlands
 * Category:New Zealand NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organisations based in New Zealand
 * Category:Pakistan NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Pakistan
 * Category:Peru NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Peru
 * Category:Philippines NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in the Philippines
 * Category:Poland NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Poland
 * Category:Romania NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Romania
 * Category:Russia NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Russia
 * Category:Serbia NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Serbia
 * Category:South Africa NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organisations based in South Africa
 * Category:Sweden NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Sweden
 * Category:Switzerland NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Switzerland
 * Category:Taiwan NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Taiwan
 * Category:Thailand NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Thailand
 * Category:Ukraine NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in the Ukraine
 * Category:United Kingdom NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organisations based in the United Kingdom
 * Category:United States NGOs to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in the United States
 * Category:Non-governmental organizations in Thailand to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Thailand
 * Category:Non-governmental organizations in Vietnam to Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Vietnam
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Finish removing the abbreviations and conversion to the standard format approved by consensus in this discussion. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:11, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Opinion. The vast majority of NGO's working in the developping countries (Vietnam, Thailand or others) are based outside of them (in USA and Europe). If renaming, it should be better to rename :Category:Non-governmental organizations in Vietnam to Category:Non-governmental organizations operating in Vietnam, as example. Ans-mo (talk) 10:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Consensus was to go with 'based in' to make this point clear. I agree that the last one will require some cleanup or splitting into your proposed Category:Non-governmental organizations operating in Foo.  However it is not clear that there is a consensus to support a category scheme like Category:Non-governmental organizations operating in Foo.  Consensus seems to be to listify where an NGO operates into the articles.  I'll also add that Category:Non-governmental organizations in Thailand had a single article and an article merge tag into Category:Thailand NGOs so this may reduce your concern to only how to handle Category:Non-governmental organizations in Vietnam. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - needs more thought -- I am afraid that I missed the last discussion. This raises the same problem and the Booian-Fooians discussion and Russian Ambassador to UN, recently discussed.  Many NGOs are engaged in bilateral aid.  They may be based in one country and operating into another.  Others such as Christian Aid are based in one country operating into many, though often they are actually making grants to a locally based NGO.  A friend runs a small charity raising funds in UK for development in a particular part of Uganda, the Ugandan partners being two Christian denominations.  Should they not be "based in UK" and "operating in Uganda"?  An operating in category is probably not appropriate for those operating into many countries.   Peterkingiron (talk) 15:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Based in' works in this case. Simply include a list of the countries where the group works in the article. There this can be correctly referenced.  If you were to leave this as operating in, you assume that all of these places are notable.  If the organization has one person in a country they are operating there, but is that fact notable?  Also, if a group operates in 150 countries using a category for tracking this would make the category list at the end of the article impossible to use.  Vegaswikian (talk) 19:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No opinion. There's an issue regarding spelling of the word organization/organisation. For those countries that use British English, the category names should spell the word with an 's' not a 'z'. Those will include the UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India and possibly others. — Lincolnite (talk) 19:23, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I did the simple expand of the acro. If someone wants to edit the nomination to deal with the UK spelling I would not object.  Vegaswikian (talk) 19:29, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I've done just that. — Lincolnite (talk) 21:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * rename per nom. This is the best choice for now; the current names are not helpful.  Hmains (talk) 00:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename per last discussion.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


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Category:ABC News

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 13:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:ABC News to Category:ABC News programs
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per extensive precedent we don't categorize broadcasters on the basis of network affiliation because they can change affiliation repeatedly through the course of a career. The category description is clear that this is for programming and the rename would make that explicit. Otto4711 (talk) 16:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename-per nom.-- S R X  16:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - This one nearly got by me. After taking a thorough look through the television news category structure -- and in particular the contents of this and the other network news cats -- I've concluded that it is NOT appropriate to rename and convert this category to restrict it to programs. The plain fact is that there are a number of news-related articles that simply do not come under the heading of "programs" -- for instance, lawsuits like Westmoreland v. CBS, and notably in terms of this CFD, personnel-list articles. I'm afraid there's no easy solution to the problem that prompted this CFD -- perhaps a more high-profile warning on the category page would help. Cgingold (talk) 00:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Television in New Zealand

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  If the reverse is desired, please tag the other categories and open another CFD. Kbdank71 13:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Television in New Zealand to Category:New Zealand television
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. All other TV by country categories are in the form "Fooian television" (and before anyone suggests it, yes, "New Zealand" is the adjectival form, not "New Zealander"!) Grutness...wha?  06:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Would you consider New Zealian? :) Cgingold (talk) 12:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Believe it or not, there was once a word Zelanian. It never caught on :) Grutness...wha?  01:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The adjective for NZ in the 21st century: Aotearoan. You heard it on WP first. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom and oppose reverse rename suggested by CharlotteWebb as no reasoning given. Tim! (talk) 16:37, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom for consistency across categories. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I would prefer changing all the other categories to "Television in [location]". — CharlotteWebb 18:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Reverse rename per Charlotte. Neier (talk) 01:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Overseas Vietnamese groups

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 13:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging Category:Overseas Vietnamese groups to Category:Vietnamese diaspora
 * Nominator's rationale: as per comments made just below Mayumashu (talk) 02:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * rename to a different name and make it a subcat of Category:Vietnamese diaspora. Suggestion: Category:Vietnamese diaspora groups.  We need such a group to fit within all the diaspora subcats where these groups should exist, but often do not. Hmains (talk) 01:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Overseas Filipinos

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 13:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Overseas Filipinos to Category:Filipino diaspora
 * Nominator's rationale: as per comments made in the alike nominations immediately below Mayumashu (talk) 02:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename - Diaspora is a better description then saying "overseas", which is too vauge. --Pinkkeith (talk) 14:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * rename to a different name and make it a subcat of Category:Filipino diaspora. Suggestion: Category:Philipino diaspora groups.  We need such a group to fit within all the diaspora subcats where these groups should exist, but often do not.  Hmains (talk) 01:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Overseas Korean groups

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 13:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging Category:Overseas Korean groups to Category:Korean diaspora
 * Nominator's rationale: as per comments made in nominations just below Mayumashu (talk) 02:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * rename to a different name and make it a subcat of Category:Korean diaspora. Suggestion: Category:Korean diaspora groups.  We need such a group to fit within all the diaspora subcats where these groups should exist, but often do not.  Hmains (talk) 01:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Overseas Taiwanese

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 13:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Overseas Taiwanese to Category:Taiwanese diaspora
 * Nominator's rationale: to conventional naming and per comments in next nomination down this page Mayumashu (talk) 02:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * rename to a different name and make it a subcat of Category:Taiwanese diaspora. Suggestion: Category:Taiwanese diaspora groups.  We need such a group to fit within all the diaspora subcats where these groups should exist, but often do not.  Hmains (talk) 01:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


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Merging Category:Overseas Chinese groups with Category:Chinese diaspora

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 13:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging Category:Overseas Chinese groups and Category:Overseas Chinese to Category:Chinese diaspora
 * Nominator's rationale: 'Overseas Chinese' are 'Chinese diaspora', Chinese em/immigrants to other countries (most but not all of whom become citizens), their children, and their descendents, and 'Fooian diaspora' is the conventional naming pattern on wikip. (as things stand) Mayumashu (talk) 01:44, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment the overseas Chinese article gives a different standard for inclusion than generally used for diaspora. Even if merged, the content of overseas Chinese does not merge directly into Chinese diaspora. 70.55.85.116 (talk) 05:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I m not advocating and would not advocate merger the article pages - this nomination is just about the category pages Mayumashu (talk) 04:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * For most diaspora categories, the merge/rename is appropriate, but Malaysian Chinese and Indonesian Chinese are (I think) ultimately of mixed ethnicity, resulting from emigrant Chinese marrying local Malay women to create a separate ethnic group. This is a case for avoiding "one size fits all".  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:56, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * my understanding of it is that someone of descent is still part of that diaspora Mayumashu (talk) 04:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * create a new cat of a different name and make it a subcat of Category:Chinese diaspora. Suggestion: Category:Chinese diaspora groups.  Then put the other cats/articles either into the new catgory or directly in the Chinese diaspora cat.   We need such a group to fit within all the diaspora subcats where these groups should exist, but often do not.  Hmains (talk) 01:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


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