Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 July 9



Category:Albums by Max Bygraves

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus - jc37 09:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging Category:Albums by Max Bygraves to Category:Max Bygraves albums
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge, strays from Category:Albums by artist naming convention. KathrynLybarger (talk) 19:28, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This category is and always has been a category redirect to the correct title. Is there a problem which might be addressed by deleting it? — CharlotteWebb 18:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as a redirect: there is nothing to merge. Its objective is to prevent a duplicate category being created.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Creation stories

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Kbdank71 14:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging Category:Creation stories to Category:Creation myths
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge since this category is a sub-category of the creation myths category, and we obviously don't need them both. Creation myth is the standard term here. Ben (talk) 14:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom No real distinction between them. Dimadick (talk) 12:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Creation story redirects to Creation myth.  Postdlf (talk) 14:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom, but retain as a redirect. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Since the category to be merged is a direct sub-category, I don't really see the need for a redirect. Ben (talk) 04:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, when the upmerge is done, the cats will be deleted. With no cats, the redirect could make sense. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Oklahoma Red Hawks players

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 * The result of the discussion was: SPEEDY RENAME to Category:Oklahoma RedHawks players.  Postdlf (talk) 14:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Oklahoma Red Hawks players to Category:Oklahoma RedHawks players
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The correct name for the team is the Oklahoma RedHawks ; the name of the category should follow the name of the team. Mackensen (talk) 10:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename - typo/spelling error. Otto4711 (talk) 13:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


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Category:User talk archives

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 14:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Category:User talk archives - (While it's a "fine line" (user talk space rather than userspace), and I don't necessarily oppose this being moved to WP:UCFD, I am listing this here.)
 * How is this category useful for navigation or collaboration to group disparate archive pages of every user on Wikipedia? I think Special:PrefixIndex takes care of this. (Not to mention the links that most editors place on their talk pages, either directly or through a template.) In addition, I think that most of the category membership is due to transclusion of Template:talkarchive or Template:talkarchivenav. - jc37 07:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - as nominator. - jc37 07:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


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Categories:Mexicans of Booian descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all. Kbdank71 14:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming


 * Category:African Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of African descent
 * Category:Arab Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Arab descent
 * Category:Asian Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Asian descent
 * Category:European Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of European descent
 * Category:Afro-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Black African descent
 * Category:Albanian Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Albanian descent
 * Category:American Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of American descent
 * Category:Argentine Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Argentine descent
 * Category:Austrian-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Austrian descent
 * Category:Basque Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Basque descent
 * Category:Belgian-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Belgian descent
 * Category:Brazilian-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Brazilian descent
 * Category:British Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of British descent
 * Category:English Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of English descent
 * Category:Scottish Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Scottish descent
 * Category:Bulgarian Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Bulgarian descent
 * Category:Canadian Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Canadian descent
 * Category:Mexicans of Catalan origin to Category:Mexicans of Catalan descent
 * Category:Chilean-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Chilean descent
 * Category:Chinese Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Chinese descent
 * Category:Colombian-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Colombian descent
 * Category:Costa Rican-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Costa Rican descent
 * Category:Cuban-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Cuban descent
 * Category:Czech Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Czech descent
 * Category:Danish Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Danish descent
 * Category:Dutch Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Dutch descent
 * Category:French Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of French descent
 * Category:German-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of German descent
 * Category:Greek Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Greek descent
 * Category:Guatemalan Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Guatemalan descent
 * Category:Hungarian-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Hungarian descent
 * Category:Indian Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Indian descent
 * Category:Iranian-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Iranian descent
 * Category:Iraqi Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Iraqi descent
 * Category:Irish Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Irish descent
 * Category:Israeli-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Israeli descent
 * Category:Italian-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Italian descent
 * Category:Jamaican Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Jamaican descent
 * Category:Japanese Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Japanese descent
 * Category:Korean Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Korean descent
 * Category:Latvian Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Latvian descent
 * Category:Lebanese Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Lebanese descent
 * Category:Lithuanian Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Lithuanian descent
 * Category:Montenegrin Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Montenegrin descent
 * Category:Norwegian-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Norwegian descent
 * Category:Peruvian-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Peruvian descent
 * Category:Polish Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Polish descent
 * Category:Portuguese Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Portuguese descent
 * Category:Puerto Rican-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Puerto Rican descent
 * Category:Romanian-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Romanian descent
 * Category:Russian-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Russian descent
 * Category:Salvadoran Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Salvadoran descent
 * Category:Serbian-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Serbian descent
 * Category:Spanish Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Spanish descent
 * Category:Swedish-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Swedish descent
 * Category:Swiss Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Swiss descent
 * Category:Syrian Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Syrian descent
 * Category:Turkish Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Turkish descent
 * Category:Ukrainian-Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Ukrainian descent
 * Category:Venezuelan Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Venezuelan descent
 * Category:Vietnamese Mexicans to Category:Mexicans of Vietnamese descent
 * Nominator's rationale: for clarity and as per recent precedent. See discussion for nomination yesterday for Chileans of Booian descent at Categories for discussion/Log/2008 July 8 Mayumashu (talk) 03:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. No controversies here as de facto all above categories deal with immigrants or their descendants. - Darwinek (talk) 10:28, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It s somewhat of a minor point perhaps, but not all immigrants to a country become citizens of that country (something that until recently I wasn t clear on [either?]). Non Mexican citizens should really be categorized under expatriates with indirect links to Mexicans by ethnicity/national origin  Mayumashu (talk) 12:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I rather meant other important point which is the definition of nationality which is different in Western culture and Central and Eastern Europe. That's why we should be careful about similar categories for countries like Romania or Albania, where e.g. Hungarians are Hungarians, not Romanians of Hungarian descent. - Darwinek (talk) 17:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * nationality meaning citizenship? are all or some ethnic Hungarians living in Romania citizens of Hungary and not of Romania?  If so, then I see that is a concern.  Others too are Russians living in former Soviet countries and Armenians living in the Middle East and Eastern Europe, arent they. Mayumashu (talk) 21:19, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No no, you don't understand. There is a huge difference between traditional ethnic minority and e.g. Moroccans in Belgium. E.g. Hungarians in Romania have mostly only Romanian citizenship but they are not of "Hungarian descent", they are Hungarians, same as they were 100 years ago, only borders have changed. They have own schools, press, organizations etc. Some of them even can't speak Romanian. They live there for hundreds years and are distinct. That's why countries recognise such minorities as official, unlike the communities of e.g. Moroccans, Iraqis etc. And that's why we should also reflect it and have categories like . I recommend you reading some books by Benedict Anderson or Ernest Gellner by the way. - Darwinek (talk) 11:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I see. Such groups are the true 'hyphenated Booians'. The problem with the naming 'Russians in Estonia' or 'Hungarians in Romania' is that it implies that the people described are those with Russian citizenship expatriate in Estonia and Hungarian expats in Romania.  I think the better and likely best naming is 'Ethnic Russians in Estonia' and 'Ethnic Hungarians in Romania'  Mayumashu (talk) 18:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This is also good naming. Anyway, brief description in a category can always be provided, avoiding confusion of some readers. - Darwinek (talk) 19:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename all per nom and many recent precedents. -- roundhouse0 (talk) 12:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose/Keep all. Although the Booian-Chileans scheme is vague in terms of the people it includes, it is a better alternative to the proposed scheme. "Descent" means one thing and one thing only - anyone with any ancestor. The use of this term will (because some people around here know english) lead to the inclusion of anyone with any Mexican ancestor even if the ancestor goes back 500 years. Thus, the proposed scheme leads to an undefining categorization.-- brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 21:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Fooian-Booian' as commonly described by Americans means no different, a citizen of Booia of partial or full Fooian descent, where descendency is not at all limited by percentage of ethnicity or number of generations between one and the immigration of one's forebearers. Besides this though, how could we go about limiting the inclusiveness - what is a Booian of Fooian descent / Fooian Booian with defining Fooian quality?  No arbitrary limit satisfies Mayumashu (talk) 23:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename for consistency and clarity. If the current scheme is kept, please at least have some consistency with the hyphenation (or lack thereof). -- KathrynLybarger (talk) 02:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename all for consistency reasons. Dimadick (talk) 12:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * REname alll according to much recent precedent. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


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