Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 June 1



Category:Heretic-Hexen

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename Category:Heretic-Hexen to Category:Heretic and Hexen. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 11:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Heretic-Hexen to Category:Serpent Riders trilogy
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category refers to a body of work that is frequently called the "Serpent Riders trilogy" per Google. I will call out the fact that there are actually 4 games in this "trilogy", because one of them (Heretic II) is not directly related to the main plot. However, I see this as being a technicality in much the same way as The Hobbit is a fourth part of the The Lord of the Rings, which by and large is thought of as a "trilogy". Alternatively, if the word trilogy is found too offensive, perhaps just clean up this name to Category:Heretic and Hexen. Ham Pastrami (talk) 22:04, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I've never heard of it referred to as the "Serpent Rider's trilogy" and a Google search only gives a page and a half of results: hardly evidence of it being "frequently called" that. "Heretic and Hexen" would seem like a much more appropriate name. fraggle (talk) 11:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's "Serpent Riders" (plural) not "Serpent Rider's" (possessive). Google gives 4 pages for that version. However, you're right that this is perhaps still not enough. However I also suggested the rename to "Heretic and Hexen" so why not change your vote to a conditional support? Ham Pastrami (talk) 17:06, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Heretic and Hexen would seem the best option. The phrase "Heretic-Hexen" certainly doesn't seem to be used in the articles relating to each game, so some form of rename would be advisable, but "trilogy" is a little misleading in this case – Ikara talk → 16:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


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Palestine categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Supported by other CfD closes that appear to make this the consensus in multiple discussions. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Propose renaming:
 * Category:Cinema of Palestine to Category:Palestinian cinema
 * Category:Deaths by firearm in Palestine to Category:Deaths by firearm in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Palestine to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:Companies of Palestine to Category:Companies based in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:Environmental organizations based in Palestine to Category:Environmental organizations based in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:Environment of Palestine to Category:Environment of the Palestinian territories
 * Category:Beer and breweries in Palestine to Category:Beer and breweries based in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:Chess in Palestine to Category:Chess in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:Fauna of Palestine to Category:Fauna of the Palestinian territories
 * Category:Crime in Palestine to Category:Crime in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:Years in Palestine to Category:Years in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:1996 in Palestine to Category:1996 in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:2000 in Palestine to Category:2000 in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:2004 in Palestine to Category:2004 in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:2007 in Palestine to Category:2007 in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:Terrorism deaths in Palestine to Category:Terrorism deaths in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:Terrorism in Palestine to Category:Terrorism in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:Human death in Palestine to Category:Human death in the Palestinian territories
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Palestine is not by any means a universally recognized country. Previous discussion (1, 2a, 2b) led to the conclusion that categories dealing with modern topics should be named "Category: ... Palestinian territories," "Category: ... Palestinian National Authority," or "Category:Palestinian..." These categories have all been created after those discussions. I have arranged them chronologically here. (half are from the past month, the rest are spread out) --Eliyak T · C 21:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep at least some of these, "crime", "human death", "terrorism", "terrorism deaths", e.g. Regarding the terrorism categories, there is an outstanding proposal here to rename some other categories "Terrorism in the Palestinian territories" but to keep Category:Terrorism in Palestine and Category:Terrorism deaths in Palestine as parents to the Palestinian territories categories in order to cover pre-1948 terrorism incidents in what is today Israel's territory. I don't see how "terrorism", "terrorism deaths", and much less "crime" and "human death" qualify as "modern" topics only. These things have been going on there since long before 1948. It seems to me we need some sort of name/category for stuff that occurred in present-day Israel prior to 1948, and "Palestine" seems to fit that need well. Nothing to suggest that "Palestinian categories" cannot be created for post-1948 information, but there's no need to delete one to create the other. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename [:Category:Cinema of Palestine]] to Category:Cinema in Palestine or Category:Cinema in the Palestinian territories for consistency with other nominations (and according to the result of this discussion). "Palestinian" can refer to the exiled diaspora as well as to the territories.  No comment on rest.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support renaming - "Palestine" is a regional term which encompasses Israel and does not encompass Palestinian issues.  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  13:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, as Palestine is the Palestinean name for the territories, recognized by not only the government as is the case in Burma (known by the government as Myanmar), but also by the residents thereof. Bob Amnertiopsis ChitChat Me!  22:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: the following renames have now taken place via the earlier CfD:
 * Category:Terrorism in the West Bank and Gaza Strip to Category:Terrorism in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:Terrorism deaths in the West Bank and Gaza Strip to Category:Terrorism deaths in the Palestinian territories
 * Category:Crime in the West Bank and Gaza Strip to Category:Crime in the Palestinian territories Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename No such place as Palestine - until they are recognised as an independent state it's the Palestinian territories. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  08:23, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename Palestine is not actually a country but rather it is known in its current state as the Category:Palestinian territories. Per norm, similar renamings have occured.  Palestine includes modern day Israel, making the categories incorrect for the time being.  Until such time the PA becomes a state it refers to a larger geographical area. Epson291 (talk) 14:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. --GHcool (talk) 16:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Cinema of Palestine because that is the format for all unrecognized entities Rename everything else like environment and breweries to Palestinian territories. --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. I thought historians use the word "Palestine" historically mainly to refer to the British Mandate of Palestine after Transjordan was separated from it. See Atlas of Palestine. It is also a future aspiration, and a common name worldwide for an unrecognized territory. It also refers to ancient uses of the name Palestine. See Category:Old maps of Palestine, Category:Maps of Palestine and the Southeastern Roman Empire map below. See the area called "Palestina."


 * From Transjordan: "From that point [Sept. 1922] onwards, Britain administered the part west of the Jordan as Palestine, and the part east of the Jordan as Transjordan. Technically they remained one mandate but most official documents referred to them as if they were two separate mandates. Transjordan remained under British control until 1946."
 * I think common sense should be used in the naming of the categories. People looking for info concerning the modern Palestinian territories should find it in a category with that name in it. People looking for info concerning historical Palestine should find it in a category with that name. Where a topic concerns both periods it should be in 2 categories. Ease of use should guide the naming in my opinion. --Timeshifter (talk) 00:40, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Response to Timeshifter's comment - while it is true that "Palestine" may refer to the British Mandate for Palestine, I think its safe to say that categories such as Category:2007 in Palestine are not referring to the mandate period (which ended in 1948). --GHcool (talk) 01:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. --Timeshifter (talk) 07:32, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Vox Humana 8'

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 10:42, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * vox humana 8'


 * Nominator's rationale: This appears to be a private category used by one user to organize one userspace draft page. There is also a subcategory, Category:Vox Humana 8'/Churches. KathrynLybarger (talk) 19:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep as owner of this: I need this category to organise a number of articles which I will be writing in the next little while...--Vox Humana 8' 21:22, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete now Bencherlite's made me aware of that special page, of which I was previously oblivious!--Vox Humana 8' 22:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Users don't need a category to keep track of their userspace.  Try this for a complete list of all your subpages.  BencherliteTalk 21:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional Femme Fatales

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete, G4. BencherliteTalk 00:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * fictional femme fatales


 * Nominator's rationale: This is one of those arbitrary, trivial and potentially endless categories with no real purpose. &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 15:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

It really isn't arbitrary. It certainly isn't endless since some women are femme fatales and some simply aren't. No one is being libeled because the femmes all are fictional. The category is useful for literary research. Wlmg (talk) 16:34, 1 June 2008 (UTC) Every supervillainess is not a femme fatale lol Wlmg (talk) 18:57, 1 June 2008 (UTC) Is there a concrete definition for fictional dominatrices? Because they get a category. Wlmg (talk) 19:29, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nearly every supervillainess qualifies.--Mike Selinker (talk) 16:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - While it's undoubtedly true that some women are femme fatales and that some women simply aren't, there's a large spectrum of female characters who may or may not be femme fatales, depending on who's making the call. In other words, this strikes me as a highly subjective term that isn't very well-suited to serving as a category, interesting though it may be. Cgingold (talk) 18:32, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete No concrete definition for what a femme fatale constitutes. Trivial category. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 19:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Tagged for speedy deletion - as a capitalization variant of the deleted and salted Category:Fictional femme fatales. Otto4711 (talk) 19:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Alpha CVn-type variables

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Alpha CVn-type variables to Category:Alpha2 Canum Venaticorum variables. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 10:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * alpha cvn-type variables


 * Nominator's rationale: User:CarloscomB claims this is a stub-type category, but the stub template does not populate this category, nor would I expect the contents of this category to necessarily be stubs. 70.55.86.37 (talk) 14:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. As this clearly should not be a stub category, I've removed the stub templates. Spacepotato (talk) 00:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge into existing category for this variable type, Category:Alpha2 Canum Venaticorum variables. Spacepotato (talk) 00:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Eclipsing binary of Algol type

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Eclipsing binary of Algol type to Category:Algol variables. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 10:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging Category:Eclipsing binary of Algol type to Category:Algol variables
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge, Another User:CarloscomB category requiring cleanup. This time, it replicates an existing category. 70.55.86.37 (talk) 14:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge as per nom. Spacepotato (talk) 00:22, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


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Category:RS CVn variables

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:RS CVn variables to Category:RS Canum Venaticorum variables. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 10:49, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Suggest merging Category:RS CVn variables to Category:RS Canum Venaticorum variables
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge, Another User:CarloscomB category requiring cleanup. This time, it replicates an existing category. When created, it claimed to be a stub-type category, and claimed to be populated by a stub template that didn't use it. 70.55.86.37 (talk) 14:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge as per nom. Spacepotato (talk) 00:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


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Category:QSO objects

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:QSO objects to Category:Quasars. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 10:48, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * qso objects


 * Nominator's rationale: QSO object makes no sense, "Quasi-Stellar Object objects"? Further, QSO is shorthand for Quasar, and we already have Category:Quasars, so this is redundant. 70.55.86.37 (talk) 14:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete/Merge to Category:Quasars as necessary to be sure that no articles are left out. Cgingold (talk) 01:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge - nominator explains the issue well and the category is obviously redundant.  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  13:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Emission-line Star

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename Category:Emission-line Star to Category:Emission-line stars. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 10:47, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * emission-line star


 * Nominator's rationale: All stars have emission lines. This category makes no sense. Further, it was created as a "stub-type" category, which it is patently _not_. 70.55.86.37 (talk) 13:57, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep and rename to Category:Emission-line stars. It's for stars categorized as emission-line stars, e.g., .  Not all stars will qualify.  The stub problem has been fixed. Spacepotato (talk) 01:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename per Spacepotato – Ikara talk → 16:32, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Ancient Trojans

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Ancient Trojans to Category:Trojans. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 10:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * ancient trojans


 * Nominator's rationale: Only four members which are all members of parent Category:Trojans. As it isn't name of current inhabitated place all Trojans are ancient. Other parent category irrelevant as Trojans were not Greeks.Peter cohen (talk) 11:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC) Later: This is a Merge proposal--Peter cohen (talk) 13:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge per what nom presumably intended to propose. Johnbod (talk) 11:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment It was my first proposal. Maybe next time I'll get it right. I had intended delete but I can see that merge is safer as someoen might add a new member while we're discussing this--Peter cohen (talk) 13:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to worry, Peter, you did allright for a first go at CFD. The important thing is that you identified the problem correctly. Cgingold (talk) 13:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge per Johnbod, as long as there are no horses among them. Cgingold (talk) 12:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge as above. The only conceivable distinction might be between Homeric and classical Troy, but I doubt there is enough on the latter to warrant a separate category.   Peterkingiron (talk) 22:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge as above. Anyway the Trojan category was created in 2005, while the Ancient Trojans was created in 2007. Dimadick (talk) 08:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


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The Price Is Right

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename both. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 10:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Category:The Price is Right to Category:The Price Is Right
 * Category:The Price is Right pricing games to Category:The Price Is Right pricing games

Nominator's rationale: These Price Is Right categories are proposing for renaming. The proper title was a capital "I" for "Is", not a small "i". The correct proper rename title is "The Price Is Right". These two categories has to be renamed to match the main articles and correcting the proper title. Steam5 (talk) 05:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename - Steam5 is correct, the show does use a capital "I" in its title. 64.118.116.234 (talk) 08:04, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom - I think these could be Speedied as corrections of spelling errors. Cgingold (talk) 09:34, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename Tee "I of "is" should be categorised as it is a significant word in a title.--Peter cohen (talk) 11:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 12:31, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom; "Is" should be capitalized per MoS. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 19:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename per nom as "caps/spelling error". Bob Barker is rolling over in his grave. Wait, did he die or just retire? Bah, same thing ... – Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename, because that's how it is in the show, so that's what the articles ought to be called. He retired, FYI, not died. Bob Amnertiopsis ChitChat Me!  22:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Middle-earth calendars
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Middle-earth calendars to Category:Middle-earth and Category:Fictional calendars. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 10:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * middle-earth calendars


 * Nominator's rationale: This category has only one article in it, so it is not needed, as we do not retain empty categories. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 05:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought we had this discussion last month? Though I don't know if anyone got round to implementing what was discussed there? Carcharoth (talk) 05:24, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Middle-earth. Small category with little or no growth potential, housing in the main nothing but redirects. No need to split this off from the parent. Otto4711 (talk) 13:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to Category:Middle-earth and Category:Fictional calendars. (I don't think this one was discussed recently.) -- roundhouse0 (talk) 14:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per Roundhouse0.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * When I said discussions last month, I was referring to the discussions about similar categories. There are at least two editors, me and User:YLSS, who are willing to do a global approach for the category structure under Category:Middle-earth and Category:J. R. R. Tolkien. No need to throw up the categories piecemeal in an inefficient fashion. Discussion with us and other editors and populators of the categories will get better results. Also, see here for a list of redirects associated with Middle-earth calendar. I am going to note this at Categorizing redirects as an alternative way to organise and keep track of redirects. Carcharoth (talk) 21:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment (Otto4711, what was the need in depopulating the category when it was under CfD? If you have any comments on its inconsistency, please discuss it here.) This is indeed a category with little potential, unlike those for Orcs etc that were temporarily put on hold. The only possibility for its expansion is creating redirects for all month-names, various loende etc. They do have individual entries in Encyclopedia of Arda, so it is possible that a user will type these names, but I think it is least necessary. So if you want, move the article to Category:Middle-earth, preserve the redirects where they are and move them to a subcat of Category:Middle-earth redirects. Súrendil (talk) 16:54, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The items removed from the category during the discussion were miscategorized. Fictional days are not "fictional calendars" so whether this cat is under discussion or not they should not have been in the category. Otto4711 (talk) 01:33, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


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