Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 March 27



Clear Channel television stations

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Newport television stations. Kbdank71 13:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose for deletion: obsoletecategory


 * Nominator's rationale: Clear Channel Television exited the television business when it sold the division to Newport Television. It no longer controls any stations As such, it should be time to remove the category. AEMoreira042281 (talk) 23:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't it then just be renamed to Category:Newport Television television stations, if in fact that is the new owner for all of them? Postdlf (talk) 02:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Newport television stations per Postdlf. After the rename, make sure that stations that were not sold to Newport are not included.  Vegaswikian (talk) 23:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge category into the existant but currently underpopulated Category:Newport television stations which only has one article but can now support the rest of the Newport properties... Ranma9617 (talk) 04:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Naval Outlying Fields

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename both, just adding "United States".  There isn't consensus as to whether it should be "navy" or "naval", nor what the capitalization should be (and the little research I did referenced the fields using both navy and naval, and with upper and lowercase). Kbdank71 13:49, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Naval Outlying Fields to Category:United States Navy outlying fields
 * Rename Category:Naval Auxiliary Landing Fields to Category:United States Navy auxiliary landing fields
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. The landing fields in these categories are all United States Navy fields; they are subcategories of Category:United States Navy air stations. The current names suggest that the categories are for outlying naval fields or auxiliary landing fields regardless of country/navy. The proposed names also changes "Outlying Fields" to the generic "outlying fields" and "Auxiliary Landing Fields" to the generic "auxiliary landing fields", since when used generically these are not proper nouns.  Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:43, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename but not quite per nom. In both cases the correct term is "naval" rather than "navy", as reflected in the names of the articles. I also googled both variants, with these results: "Naval Outlying Fields" - 3500 hits; "Navy Outlying Fields" - 242 hits. I was already planning to take the parent cat, Category:United States Navy air stations, to CFD for similar renaming, so these will all remain consistent. Cgingold (talk) 02:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:ELFAA members

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete per this and other related discussions.  All articles are already on Template:European Low Fares Airline Association. Kbdank71 13:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:ELFAA members to Category:European Low Fares Airline Association members
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. At a minimum this uncommon abbreviation should be expanded. The contents should also perhaps be considered for merging with the parent Category:European Low Fares Airline Association, since it has nothing in it but the main article, a template, and this subcategory.  Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)}}


 * Upmerge to Category:European Low Fares Airline Association.-choster (talk) 11:37, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete; rename if kept. It's not a good use of the category system to use it to categorize members of an organization. That's just way, way too broad. Businesses join, are members of, or are regulated by all manner of coalitions, lobbying groups, boards, stock exchanges, etc.  It's an aspect of doing business that is much better handled by references, where appropriate in the body of the member's article, and by a list of members (if appropriate) in the organization's article. This sort of categorization should only be done in exceptional circumstances; not routine business memberships. --Lquilter (talk) 21:43, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - See similar discussion with more participation on March 28. Same arguments & rationales certainly apply. --Lquilter (talk) 16:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Upmerge as per same arguments applied at the AACO discussion, see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_March_27 --Россавиа Диалог 00:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:AACO members

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete per this and related discussions.  Articles are already on Template:Arab Air Carriers Organization. Kbdank71 14:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:AACO members to Category:Arab Air Carriers Organization members
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. At a minimum this uncommon abbreviation should be expanded. The contents should also perhaps be considered for merging with the parent Category:Arab Air Carriers Organization, since it has nothing in it but the main article, a template, and this subcategory.  Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete; rename if kept. It's not a good use of the category system to use it to categorize members of an organization. That's just way, way too broad. Businesses join, are members of, or are regulated by all manner of coalitions, lobbying groups, boards, stock exchanges, etc.  It's an aspect of doing business that is much better handled by references, where appropriate in the body of the member's article, and by a list of members (if appropriate) in the organization's article. This sort of categorization should only be done in exceptional circumstances; not routine business memberships. --Lquilter (talk) 21:43, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 *  Rename  In reply to Lquilter, the use of a category is not way, way too broad, as this would basically be akin to being indiscriminate, and it is not, a company is either a member of the trade group or they are not. Of course businesses join trade groups, but these are major and notable trade groups (often having observer status at other organisations such as the Arab League, ICAO, etc), and is not akin to say being a member of a chamber of commerce which any company could join and is way too broad. And particularly in the case of the AACO, the group has led to the possible forming of an Category:Airline alliances. I see no reason as to why notable company groups should be treated any differently than any other grouping on wikipedia, for example, Category:G8 nations, Category:Capitol Records artists, Category:Ohio Democrats, etc.
 * Please sign your comments in the future. It is "way, way too broad" because entities may belong to many organizations. So, no, viewed from the organizational perspective it's discrete; but viewed from the perspective of the entities about which the articles are written, and viewed from the perspective of rational categorizing practice, it is way too broad. Categories should be applied to "defining" attributes; see WP:CAT. Membership in an organization, trade affiliation, etc., may be financially or legally significant to the operation of the business, but it's certainly not "defining". As for the other examples you mention, those aren't before the CFD right now. It may be that there are particular reasons why those affiliations are defining, or it may be that if reviewed, those would also be deleted as categories. Either way, their existence doesn't support the continued non-useful and potentially massively overcluttery category. --Lquilter (talk) 16:27, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you please explain how this could be a potentially massively overclutter category? There very defined entry agreements into the AACO (for example, you will never see Iran Air as a member, nor American Airlines, nor South African Airways), and the AACO is a very influential organisation in the Arab world, particularly in matters which formulate civil aviation policy as the Arab League. The airlines which are voluntarily members see their membership in IATA and the AACO as being quite defining in their business (IATA being a cartel - the airline version of OPEC - which sets fare levels). --Россавиа Диалог 00:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Upmerge At the same time, I will change my opinion to upmerging this category to Category:Arab Air Carriers Organization --Россавиа Диалог 00:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Internet celebrities

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Kbdank71 13:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging Category:Internet celebrities to Category:Internet personalities
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge, I suggest merge and also make it a redirect to prevent recreate.  Chantessy  19:54, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Support Since the terms are nearly interchangeable. Gary King (talk) 19:36, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, except for Category:Media people which is far broader. Johnbod (talk) 02:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Pashtun Mafia

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 13:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * pashtun mafia


 * Nominator's rationale: Main article was deleted due to POV and OR concerns. This category now supports a topic we do not document. Guy (Help!) 19:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Although the nom did not state intent, I think this is an obvious delete. Ford MF (talk) 21:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - per all of the same reasons that the category was kept when it was discussed five weeks ago. Nothing has changed about the category and the AFD is not binding on CFD. Otto4711 (talk)
 * 1) There is no limit to which an article or cat can be nominated for deletion. 2) The discussion that led to "keep" five weeks ago was contingent on the fact that the article was called "Pashtun Mafia".  That article has been deleted.  Ford MF (talk) 00:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete - it's now a category with no documented basis for existence. FCYTravis (talk) 22:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Gangster Disciples

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 13:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * gangster disciples


 * Nominator's rationale:Delete Category is an obvious WP:BLP violation. With the exception of the sole article about the gang's founder, Larry Hoover, pretty much all of the other entries are for rappers, the basis for which must be entirely speculative, as none of the articles even mention the Gangster Disciples.  Ford MF (talk) 18:09, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


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Category:English classical organists

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 13:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging Category:English classical organists to Category:English organists
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge. The vast majority of "English organists" are in fact "English classical organists", and a simplier treatment would be to simply merge these two categories into "English organists". The intention of the "English organists" category does not appear to be a differentiation of these organists as non-classical.  Nor does "English organists" contain any subcategories other than "English classical organists".  Noca2plus (talk) 17:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * More info: Noticed that this nom is related to previous cfd discussion at WP:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_February_25.  Also noticed that "English classical organists" is a subcategory of Category:English_classical_musicians_by_instrument; I don't think this is a problem for the proposed merge.  I think the merged "English organists" would replace "English classical organists" as a subcategory under "English_classical_musicians_by_instrument". Added  notification at WP:MUSCAT, WP:ORGAN, and WP:England. Noca2plus (talk) 17:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Ford MF (talk) 21:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Jza84 | Talk  17:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose this proposal, which if implemented would drive a coach and horses through the current scheme for categorising musicians for no good reason:
 * The whole point of the WikiProject Musicians guidance on categorizing musicians, which has been applied across thousands of articles (both classical and non-classical), is that musicians are categorized by nationality, genre and instrument - e.g. Category:American classical pianists, rather than being in both Category:American pianists and Category:Classical pianists. This ensures not only consistency of approach between editors but also allows each sub-category to be placed in the correct category tree: to continue the example Category:Classical pianists by nationality, Category:American classical musicians and Category:American pianists.
 * Parent categories such as Category:English classical musicians by instrument should only contain "classical" sub-categories, not Category:English organists, since any non-classical organist would then be in the wrong category tree. See Category:Jazz organists, for example - just because no-one's been put in category:English jazz organists yet doesn't mean that it will never happen - and the moment that Category:English jazz organists is created, Category:English classical organists is needed as the comparison, with Category:English organists as the parent.  The suggestion that Category:English organists can somehow replace Category:English classical organists in the classical musicians category tree is misconceived.
 * The previous discussion mentioned above is irrelevant - that upmerger, which I proposed, was about removing an unnecessary level of sub-categories where there was only one parent category; here, category:English classical organists necessarily has more than one parent (Category:English organists and Category:English classical musicians by instrument).
 * Category:English organists appears to have several articles that could be better categorized as classical organists. That does not mean that the two categories are duplicates; it merely illustrates that the categorisation process is incomplete.
 * In short, there is no reason given why English classical organists should be treated any differently to the established structure prevailing elsewhere. Any apparent anomalies (such as all English organists apparently being classical, yet needing to be kept in their own sub-category) should be readily understandable once the overall context is seen.  BencherliteTalk 09:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Bencherlite's explanation of the context. Rick Wakeman, Gary Brooker, and Alan Price ought to get Category:English rock organists off the ground anyway. Johnbod (talk) 11:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Student Activities at Carnegie Mellon

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Kbdank71 13:21, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging Category:Student Activities at Carnegie Mellon to Category:Carnegie Mellon University
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge - small category with unclear growth potential. There is no Student activities at Foo University category structure in Category:Student culture. The closest parallel is Category:MIT student life which is much more populous. The one article here can reside comfortably in the university category. If kept it should be renamed to something like Category:Carnegie Mellon University student activities (or perhaps Category:Carnegie Mellon University student life to match the MIT cat). Otto4711 (talk) 15:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge. There's only one article; it's hardly a distinct category.  Ford MF (talk) 21:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


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More halls of fame

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 * The result of the discussion was: listify. Kbdank71 13:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * aviation hall of fame of new jersey


 * aviation hall of fame of new jersey


 * national inventors hall of fame‎


 * military intelligence hall of fame‎


 * new jersey inventors hall of fame‎


 * radio hall of fame‎


 * national toy hall of fame‎


 * xrco hall of fame‎


 * Nominator's rationale: Each of these categories is being used to hold the article for the Hall along with the Hall's inductees. They should either be renamed to Category Foo Hall of Fame inductees or listified and deleted as overcategorization by non-defining award. Otto4711 (talk) 13:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Most of the people in the categories are not in any other categories so its not over categorization at all. State and National Hall of Fame entry is the most important milestone for most of these people. You wouldn't consider deleting the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a category, yet for these people this is their equivalent of that. Just as with RandRHOF almost everyone in that category has many, many other categories added. I really don't think the Wittemann brothers are over categorized, yet if you look at The Beatles, we don't consider them over categorized. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 14:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If the people in these categories aren't in other categories, that's a fault of editors' failing to add them to appropriate categories. Everyone in for instance Category:National Aviation Hall of Fame should be housed somewhere in the Category:Aviators structure. The existence of the R&RHoF category does not serve as justification for any of these (WP:WAX). Otto4711 (talk) 14:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your argument. It is still overcategorization even when there aren't any other categories? Ok, you thought of one, so now there are two. And as you know, not every aviator is in the HoF, aviators is a supracategory. Over categorization is when we had "left handed, women" --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:45, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Overcategorization is not solely about reducing the number of categories on a particular article or articles. It's also about making sure that categories deal with the defining characteristics of the subjects. Sticking with aviators as an example, is for instance Charles Lindbergh defined as an inductee to the Aviation Hall of Fame of New Jersey? Is anyone likely, when thinking of Lindbergh, to think "ah yes, Aviation Hall of Fame of New Jersey inductee Charles Lindbergh"? Were Lindbergh alive today, would anyone introducing him to a general audience introduce him as "AHoFoNJ inductee Charles Lindbergh"? No. Otto4711 (talk) 21:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep per Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ). The entries do not at all seem to be overcategorized, and I'd dispute the "non-defining" nature of the awards.  Ford MF (talk) 21:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Listify and delete all per Otto. These are great examples of the kind of things that lists work best for, in my opinion; they are generally not defining. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Listify and delete. Halls of fame are practically the definition of non-defining awards; they are in almost all cases recognitions of fame already achieved for some other reason, and in no way indicate that the fame is achieved because of the Hall of Fame recognition. There's nothing wrong with the information, which is worthwhile as a note among the honors section in the articles of the people, and certainly articles about halls of fame benefit from having lists of notable, representative, or all honorees. --Lquilter (talk) 21:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - if the halls of fames themselves are notable (admittedly, I haven't clicked through every single one). However, I'd support a rename of "inductees" as suggested, but to delete all of these because of "overcategorization" makes no sense to me.  A Hall of Fame induction in a respective field seems on par to an allowable award recipient category. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 13:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Really? How? Yes, it's an award recipient category, but how is it a "defining" attribute (WP:CAT) to be a Hall of Fame recipient? You realize that people create all kinds of halls of fame for all kinds of reason, and that many of them are, well, silly. Someone might be in a hall of fame for every tiny city they ever lived in, for instance. ... At any rate, I don't think you can just blanket exempt the whole lot. If you want to keep some of them, I think you have to explain how that particular category is defining. I looked at each of them and thought they could all be deleted as non-defining. --Lquilter (talk) 16:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * As I said earlier, "...if the halls of fames themselves are notable...". I guess that wasn't clear.  Jauerbackdude?/dude.


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Category:Fictional characters with mental illness

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 13:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose deletion- Category:Fictional characters with mental illness
 * Rationale- generally this is a category which appears to be listing fictional characters with a "mental illness", however to me it appears to be a POV category and many of the characters listed are 1) Comic book villains which even then have no real verification of a "mental illness" 2) characters with no verifacation of a mental illness but have been put there by a users opinion, and 3) about 2 actual characters that actually have something not right. The category has been built on "unsourced" original research. AndreNatas (talk) 15:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment it seems like standard comic book characters (as opposed to special ones, like in Maus or V for Vendetta) should have a separate subtree under fictional characters, since they are so... messed up (and prone to frequent retconning) 70.51.8.110 (talk) 06:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as OR. -Sean Curtin (talk) 03:39, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep struth it seems like every day you people are nominating "category: fictional (something)" for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AKR619 (talk • contribs) 07:29, March 23, 2008
 * Comment: I'm leaning toward either deletion or possibly renaming to Category:Fictional characters with diagnosed mental illness. In principle, this should be a very valuable category. But I'm afraid that AndreNatas is quite right in his assessment of how it's actually being used. My impression is that the most serious abuse results from the inclusion of comic book characters, which inherently tend to be bizarre caricatures. So I'm thinking that perhaps they should be confined to their own universes -- i.e. excluded entirely -- which might go a long way toward dealing with the problems that have been noted. Maybe we should give that a try, and then revisit this category if it still appears to be a problem. Cgingold (talk) 07:50, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, some of the sub-cats are also problematic in certain respects. I am going to remove Category:Fictional characters with multiple personalities entirely -- and also rewrite the description, since very few if any of those characters actually suffer from multiple personality disorder. They're merely imaginary characters who happen to have imaginary alternate personalities. Cgingold (talk) 07:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This may need to be re-listed to achieve some sort of consensus on how to proceed. It certainly should not be left as-is, given how messed up the contents are. Cgingold (talk) 08:13, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kbdank71 13:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep or rename per Cgingold. Of the two options I lean far more towards deletion.  "Mental illness" as diagnosed by whom?  When?  Would the hero of The Well of Loneliness be included on the list, since the novel takes place before 1973, when homosexuality was still included in the DSM as a mental illness?  The category essentially puts editors in the place of psychiatric diagnosers.  For comparision, there is no category like this for real-person biographies, only Category:People by medical or psychological condition (which is not really ideal either).  Ford MF (talk) 21:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: You either have a mental illness or you don't. People can decide on talk pages whether or not a character should be categorised as such. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 00:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:National Agriculture Hall of Fame

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. WoohookittyWoohoo! 11:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * national agriculture hall of fame


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete - small category with little or no likelihood of expansion, also overcategorization by minor award. Otto4711 (talk) 13:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete as overcategorization by award. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as overcategorization by award. Norman Borlaug would do much better to have this noted on his article, and have the hall of fame include a link to him among its recipients. Category is not defining and not helpful here. --Lquilter (talk) 21:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Translators into English
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Kbdank71 13:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging Category:Translators into English to Category:Translators to English
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge, Duplicate categories; target category is older of the two.  Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Unlike the original category, this newly-created category has no parent cats. If the creator had taken the step of locating the category tree, she would (hopefully) have seen that the wanted category already existed. I also note that all of the sibling categories follow the convention of Category:Translators to LanguageXX. Cgingold (talk) 09:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, to match conventions of Category:Translators by destination language. -- Prove It (talk) 14:44, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Slovene art
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 13:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging Category:Slovene art to Category:Slovenian art
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge, Duplicate categories. Either nationality adjective is "correct"; most other categories for Slovenia use "Slovenian" and the target category existed first.  Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I have not been aware such a category exists but in general it is more appropriate to use Slovene in this case (see Talk:Slovenes, Talk:Slovene language and Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Slovenian vs Slovene)) so I suggest merging Category:Slovenian art into Category:Slovene art. As both categories are very small currently this won't cause much additional work. --Eleassar my talk 10:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. The discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Slovenian vs Slovene) seems to support "Slovenian" for things to do with Slovenia, and "Slovene" for the language and the people. This falls into the former category. Johnbod (talk) 12:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually the art of the Category:Slovenian artists (who should be properly renamed to Slovene artists) falls in the latter category: the language and the people. Slovenia is a very young country that exists only from 1991 onwards but the art of Slovenes - the Slovene art - has been in existence for a much longer time (at least several centuries). Therefore, as consensus has been established to use Slovene for the people and Slovenian for the country. Slovenian art could be at most a tiny subcategory of Slovene art. --Eleassar my talk 17:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In fact we usually apply nationality retrospectively, or (even more) chaos would ensue. Slovenia has been a defined political unit, if not an independent nation, for much longer than the last twenty years, and happily has rather fewer definitional issues, in terms of borders and ethnic groups, than most other european nations. Johnbod (talk) 11:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Pagan folk albums
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 13:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * pagan folk albums


 * Nominator's rationale: Another one of those neologism genre. Category was created in 2004 and contains only one artist Sol Invictus. Article page for that band does not even use the term pagan folk. No evidence or reference to support the use of the term for the band. Bardin (talk) 05:35, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Verbotene Liebe
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 13:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * verbotene liebe
 * Nominator's rationale: Eponymous overcategorisation for a television series. Aside from the two subcategories, which are already otherwise categorised, the only category members are the main article and a navigational template. – Black Falcon (Talk) 03:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


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