Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 March 29



Sundance Film Festival

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete all. the wub  "?!"  09:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * 1986 sundance film festival


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 * 2009 sundance film festival


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete all - per the outcome of this test CFD, categorizing films by the festivals at which they appeared is overcategorization. Films can appear at dozens or hundreds of festivals. Otto4711 (talk) 21:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom and per my own comments in the previous CFD. Cgingold (talk) 22:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all. A list of films that appeared at a particular film festival in a particular year is probably valid, but a category is not. Bearcat (talk) 21:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Eco-terrorism

 * Relisted at Categories for discussion/Log/2008 April 4 - the wub "?!"  10:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Userbox categories

 * Relisted at Categories for discussion/Log/2008 April 6 - Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:04, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Category:U.S. Military Rank Templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Kbdank71 13:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging Category:U.S. Military Rank Templates to Category:United States military rank user templates
 * Nominator's rationale: Looks like someone started to manually move this. I have no idea what the name should be. Obviously some sort of merge needs to happen. --- RockMFR 18:22, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge - I'm the one who tried to do the manual move. If someone has a better name for a title, say so. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 06:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


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Connacht categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Kbdank71 13:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Suggest merging:
 * Category:Loughs of Connacht to Category:Irish loughs
 * Category:Landforms of Connacht to Category:Landforms of the Republic of Ireland
 * Category:Headlands of Connacht to Category:Headlands of the Republic of Ireland
 * Category:Mountains and hills of Connacht to Category:Mountains and hills of the Republic of Ireland
 * Category:Rivers of Connacht to Category:Rivers of the Republic of Ireland
 * Category:Geography of Leinster to Category:Geography of the Republic of Ireland
 * Category:Landforms of Leinster to Category:Landforms of the Republic of Ireland
 * Category:Mountains and hills of Leinster to Category:Mountains and hills of the Republic of Ireland
 * Category:Landforms of Ulster to Category:Landforms of Ireland
 * Category:Mountains and hills of Ulster to Category:Mountains and hills of Ireland
 * Category:Geography of Ulster to Category:Geography of Ireland

The four provinces of Ulster, Munster, Leinster and Connacht are no longer used for any governmental administrative purposes (govt uses its own administrative regions), and apart from strong historical loyalties the main usage these days of the four provinces seems to be for sporting organisations, many of which are organised by province ... so while we have (for example) Category:Sport in Connacht as a subcategory of Category:Connacht, we don't have a Category:Media in Connacht, Category:Politics of Connacht, Category:Buildings and structures in Connacht etc &mdash; those categories are  organised by county. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nominator's rationale: These newly-created categories add an unnecessary and intrusive extra layer to regional categories in Ireland, which are already complicated enough by the need to separate Northern Ireland from the Republic of Ireland. The primary means of local categorisation in Ireland is by county (see Category:Categories by county in Ireland and Category:Categories by county in the Republic of Ireland). Adding categories-by-province does not just introduce an extra layer, it causes category-clutter wrt to Ulster, which is divided between Northern Ireland from the Republic of Ireland.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.  . -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Category creator notified: see User_talk:Mejor Los Indios. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

If you want to get rid of the by-county categories, then what you need to do is to to propose the merger of the by-county categories to by-province categories. However, if that's what you want, may I suggest that you first discuss your idea at WikiProject Ireland? We spent a lot of time last autumn sorting and organising and standardising the by-county categories, and if you want a change it would be a good idea to run your suggestion past the editors most familiar with those categories. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Suggest keep: the content of these categories is geographical, not political. Ireland's provincial boundaries are handy subdivisions for this subject. Mejor Los Indios (talk) 18:15, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply There are only 32 counties in the whole of Ireland, and only 26 in the Republic of Ireland, so all Ireland-by-county category listings display handily on one screen. There is nothing handy about unnecessarily subdividing a very workable and consistent category structure by splitting it into four sub-categories; it just means that the reader has to take an extra step to find the articles. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:44, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply I believe it's more appropriate for geographical articles to be categorised on a geographical basis, rather than with an overly strict adherence to political subdivisions. Mejor Los Indios (talk) 23:52, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply If had you studied the categories more carefully, you might have noticed that Landforms in Ireland are already categorised geographically &mdash; by county, which is the most widely-used geographical division in Ireland (counties are used postal purposes, for constituencies in general elections, and for county councils, which are the main unit of local government). What you are trying to do is to add an extra layer of geographical categorisation, breaking up the existing categories into smaller chunks which impede navigation with no benefit to the reader. Per WP:CAT, the purpose of categories is to help readers to navigate between similar articles, and you have yet offer any reason why subdividing a category such as Irish loughs helps a reader to navigate amongst the county categories: you have simply craeted a situation where the reader can no longer get a list of all the loughs-by-county categories, and has to navifate between four superfluous sub-categories. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:12, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply Rest assured I have studied the categories carefully. You undermine your argument by referring to Category:Irish loughs, which unusually does not have an ROI subdivision. One could equally argue that none of the categories should have. When users wish to see all the counties on one page, they simply click on the plus symbol beside the subcategories. The reasons you give for using the county boundaries exclusively all relate to human activities. These are geographical categories, for which the four provinces, roughly equal in area, are ideal. I don't intend to create a Category:Politics of Connacht, for the reasons you have given above. Mejor Los Indios (talk) 01:18, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no particular reason to group differently for human activities, because all the categories are geographical: some are geographical categories of landforms, but the politics categories (to take your example) are geographical groupings of human activities. In each case, the only geographical category with a "natural" basis is the island of Ireland: the provinces of Connacht etc are every bit as much a political construct as the countie.
 * You are also still missing (or ignoring) the point on user benefit. There are at most 32 categories-by-county for landforms, loughs etc. Even if the reader uses the plus buttons, how does it help the reader to force them through the tedium of expanding the intermediate by-province categories to find the by-county categories which contain the actual articles? I see no evidence that these categories help the reader in any way, just an argument that they might not be a great hassle, and on that basis we could create dozens of subdivisions in the hope that the reader would just press enough + buttons. Your claim at the start was that these are "handy subdivisions", but you still haven't demonstrated any way in which they help the reader. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply Your argument makes little sense to me. 32 subcategories for every Irish category is excessive. When I delve into categories, I tend to start from an article. A search leads there first, not to categories. I've never looked through articles the way you describe. Why should readers interested in Irish landforms "be forced", as you put it, to go through the categories based on the Irish border? Why should readers interested in landforms of the British Isles be forced to see the counties of Britain and Ireland broken up and separated into subcategories? Isn't that what categorisation is about? By handy, I mean the provinces are roughly equal in area, which generally equates to having a similar number of landforms. This definitely does not apply to the counties, some of whom dwarf others in area. Mejor Los Indios (talk) 20:03, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, now I think I see what you are trying to achieve: you want to get rid of the by-county categories, but you are going about it in the wrong way. You say that "32 subcategories for every Irish category is excessive", but your by-province categories will not reduce the number of by-county categories &mdash; all that your categories do is to add an extra layer.
 * I'm not suggesting we get rid of the county divisions, but the categorisation seems somewhat arbitrary at the moment. You prefer using political boundaries (and I see the logic in this) yet we are also using non-political divisions, such as Category:Geography of Ireland, Category:British Isles and Category:Western Europe. When I wrote that 32 was excessive, I meant it is a lot of subcategories for one category, when they could easily be broken down into provinces. As for extra layers, these categories nestle in dozens already, I don't see how that's an issue. Mejor Los Indios (talk) 15:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Mejor, 32 sub-cats all display fine on one screenful; I see no way in which they are excessive, and have illustrated direct user harm in breaking them down. You are right that at some points the category structure is already quite deep, and you have demonstrated no user benefit in making it even deeper.
 * As to "political categories", I'm surprised you are still pushing that point. You don;t seem to have noticed that the provinces are every bit as much a political construct as the counties, and you are neither advocating the creation of any categories based on non-political geography nor the removal of any categories based on political geography: you just want to add an extra layer of categories based on political geography. The reason for categorisation-by-county is not that it is a political form of geography, but simply the fact that counties are the most widely-used division of Ireland, and the category system works best when consistency is maintained.
 * There is nothing arbitrary about any of this. The Island of Ireland contains 32 counties, and these form the basis of all geographical categories on the island (whether of people, politics, landforms, schools, media or whatever). However, there are two states on the Island of Ireland, so those basic geographical groupings are divided between the two states. There's nothing unusual about this; the same thing happens in (for example) North America, which is divided between the states of the USA and the provinces and territories of Canada. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. I'm not sure why the provinces are geographic, but the counties political. Anyway, not needed. Johnbod (talk) 02:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Out of Jimmy's Head

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. the wub  "?!"  10:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * out of jimmy's head


 * Nominator's rationale: Doesn't seem to require a category with only four articles. Being a television show, I can't see it gaining any further articles to justify the cat. treelo  talk 12:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - eponymous overcategorization for a TV series. The show's article serves as an appropriate navigational hub. Otto4711 (talk) 17:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom & ample precedent. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:CRASH Smash Winners

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. the wub  "?!"  10:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * crash smash winners


 * Nominator's rationale: No reason to categorise games by critical response, for CRASH or for any other magazine. Oscarthecat (talk) 09:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom as overcategorization by award. Good Ol’factory (talk) 10:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Awards by an out-of-print magazine is limited in scope and brings undue attention to the magazine. Jappalang (talk) 18:22, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Simply unnecessary. --Catgut (talk) 23:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't see how this is unnecessary.  There are several categories for award winners (see Category:Award winners) and CRASH was a particularly revered magazine back in the day. --  JediLofty User ¦ Talk 08:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Categories for award winners need to meet the overcategorization guidelines relating to award-winners, lest the many, many awards which any person or thing might win overwhelm the article. WP:CAT specifies that categories should be "defining" attributes; awards like "Noble Prize" are considered "defining" because, for example, people will usually describe the winners as "Nobel Prize winners" in front of both general and subject-specific audiences. I do not think that "CRASH Smash Winners" is quite at that level of popular knowledge and prestige. The award may well be notable, and it should include a list of winners if appropriate in its own article; and winning games should include the CRASH Smash award in their articles if appropriate; but CRASH Smash award winners is not the sort of defining feature that needs the indexing feature that categories provide. --Lquilter (talk) 16:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 15:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Crash was a magazine in the same era as Your Sinclair and Sinclair User and handed out awards in a similar fashion as current magazines do now. While games are noted for the awards they receive on the individual pages, this case is overcategorisation. To put it another way, a magazine article on a video game would cite BAFTA video game nominations and awards, but would be unlikely to mention the awards a rival publication has bestowed on the title. A newspaper or magazine advert might for a game might list the awards it has won in the same way a film advert would list star ratings from Empire and Total Film, yet one publication would not refer to another's award outright. In the same way that you would look to Oscars, Emmys or BAFTAs, you would look to similar videogame awards being listed here. In this case, the CRASH Smash simply does not make the notability grade. Gazimoff (talk) 20:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I disagree here - Your Sinclair and Sinclair User did not hand out "awards", CRASH was the only magazine at the time to specifically honour high-ranking games. I think getting a good review in CRASH meant a great deal at the time, in fact there were even a number of "Crash Smash Collection" compilations (volume 1 is reviewed here), yet there weren't similar releases for games that got high ratings in other magazines. --  JediLofty User ¦ Talk 10:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Really? I distinctly remember Sinclair User giving out awards. They had a triangular shaped logo if I remember right, although it was some twenty years ago now. Be that as it may though, the argument still stands. I'd argue that an award from almost any magazine is not notable to warrant this level of overcategorisation, be it contemporary or historic.--Gazimoff (talk) 12:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, It was even parodied by Crash! as "The Unclear User Wassock Sign" - X201 (talk) 08:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Your Sinclair regularly gave out "Megagame" awards, Sinclair User gave out "Sinclair User Classic" awards. Let's not start creating yet more categories for these either. --Oscarthecat (talk) 07:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Afro Australians

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all to Category:Australians of African descent. Kbdank71 14:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Afro Australians to Category:Afro-Australians
 * Propose renaming Category:Black Australians to Category:Afro-Australians
 * Propose renaming Category:African Australians to Category:Afro-Australians
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge all 3 into new category. These seem to be essentially covering the same ground using different terminology. I don't really care which is the target category, but I've suggested a new category of "Afro-Australian" (with a hyphen) since the main article is at Afro-Australian. (There is an article called African Australian, and it is currently undergoing an AFD, but even if it is kept it appears to be a less-commonly used term, but I'm not sure about these things and I may be wrong.) If anyone has a good reason for preferring a different name for the target category, that's fine with me. I've posted an invitation at the Australian Wikipedians notice board inviting participation.  Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

NOTE:Afro-Australian is claimed (with some justice I think) to be a new POV fork of African Australian, and has just been joined into that AfD nom (link above). Perhaps we should wait until the AfD is sorted? Johnbod (talk) 14:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment (nominator) In light of this information, I'm certainly willing to wait and think it would be beneficial to do so; but I'm not sure if this CFD could be suspended now that a voter has expressed an opinion (below). I'll let an admin make that call. I should not have made the nomination until the AFD was complete; in the future I'll be wary of jumping the gun like this. Good Ol’factory (talk) 15:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Only a couple of days to go on the AfD, and at the rate debates progress here these days ..... Johnbod (talk) 15:37, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha! Wrong on both counts! Johnbod (talk) 23:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge Category:Afro Australians & Category:Black Australians into Category:African Australians. I recommend and prefer this for reasons of consistency. Category:African Australians is just one of a number of categories identifying Australian people (citizens?) by their continent of origin (see for instance Category:European Australians, Category:Asian Australians and, possibly Category:American Australians ...
 * Below the current Category:African Australians 'continental' scale, you will find a number of 'African' nation subcategores .. and so also for the other continental scale categories!


 * To remain consistent, if Category:African Australians were to be renamed Category:Afro-Australians ..then Category:European Australians ought be renamed Category: Euro-Australians, and Category:Asian Australians ought be renamed Category:Asia-Australians etc. Bruceanthro (talk) 13:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment To avoid both whether the hyphen should be used or not and having to have knowledge of local naming convention "Afro-British people" versus "African Americans" (the later to the exclusion of non-Black Africans and possibly the former too ??), I favour the naming pattern Fooian of Booian descent. I support here seeing Category:Australians of African descent (to describe any Australian citizen with whole or partial African ancestrial or national descent) Mayumashu (talk) 19:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I tend to agree with the above, but will wait for the end of the AfD before deciding. Johnbod (talk) 19:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename/merge all to Category:Australians of African descent (pending deletion of all such invidious categories). Occuli (talk) 03:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment while this may be the most precise name for this category I again (as I did above) urge consistency. To be consistent, should Category:African Australians be renamed Category:Australians of African descent (for any Australian citizen with at least one ancestor from Africa?) then Category:European Australians and Category:Asian Australians ought also be so renamed Category:Australians of European descent, and Category: Australians of Asian descent etc?  It might be easier to simply keep Category:African Australians ?? Bruceanthro (talk) 11:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * NB There is already Category:Australian people of African descent, just to throw another spanner into the works, and the only article in Category:Black Australians is Sudanese Australian despite the article Black Australians stating that the term generally refers to indigenous Australians. This seems to be something of a minefield. Occuli (talk) 13:18, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename/merge all to Australians of African descent except Category:Black Australians, which should be renamed to Category:Indigenous Australians. A separate nomination of merging Category:Australian people of African descent to Category:Australians of African descent I ll submit after this one s been concluded Mayumashu (talk) 20:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Support last suggestion - though I am English, I know this is a minefield. The "Black" category needs care that any contents are correctly assinged to the new "African" or "indigenous" categories.  Peterkingiron (talk) 00:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all unnecessary racial categories - all the confusion shown by the foregoing debate seems only to highlight the pure POV/unnecessary nature of these categories in particular, but racial categories generally. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Human stupidity

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. the wub  "?!"  10:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * human stupidity


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete: "Stupidity" is not term that can be defined in an encylopedic way, so categories will be included by a subjective standard. Could also be used as an attack category.   Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:17, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. --Catgut (talk) 06:24, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Interesting point of view ... Why then do we have a page on the subject? Meachly (talk) 06:34, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Existence of an article doesn't imply that a category is justified. What's your point? I think it's telling, though, that you didn't add the page you cite to the category, which presumably should have been one of the first ones added, but instead chose to include Airline sex discrimination policy. That seems to me to be a POV application of a non-neutrally named category, perhaps as a means of making a point. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I added the cat, because I'd stumbled across many articles which seemed to fall into such a category, but couldn't find an existing one. Meachly (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 07:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You may well feel that certain incidents/situations have resulted from human stupidity, but in most cases it's impossible to prove that that's why it happened, let alone finding a good definition for "stupidity", and applying a category to such an article is entirely subjective. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes it is subjective, as are all of Category:Core_issues_in_ethics and many of Category:Human behavior categories. The nature of the topic demands that they're subjective.   Will they also be nominated for deletion? Meachly (talk)
 * Probably, if inclusion is subjectively determined. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:19, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is an opinion-laden categorisation, and not at all encyclopedic. WWGB (talk) 07:57, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - The above was posted by a user who has a track record of dogmatically reverting all posts from the creator of this category. Meachly (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 08:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, POV cat.- gadfium 08:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This reminds me very much of, which we deleted a couple of months ago for similar reasons. Cgingold (talk) 14:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as NPOV. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 14:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong delete per nom as subjective ... or if for some bizarre reason it is kept, make it a parent category for everything else related to people, human society etc. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:25, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


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Category:CB Gran Canaria basketball players

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. the wub  "?!"  10:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Nominator's rationale: redundant as is - the 'B' in 'CB' stands for 'basketball' (baloncesto) Mayumashu (talk) 05:34, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * nomination withdrawn and made part of larger one for other alike category pages (see March 30) Mayumashu (talk) 23:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Bones

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. the wub  "?!"  10:09, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Bones to Category:Bones (studio)
 * Nominator's rationale: This is a category for animation produced by BONES studios, but people keep mistaking it for a category for actual bones. I proposed renaming it "Bones (studio)" (after the main article), but maybe another editor can think of a better name. Nohansen (talk) 05:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Also consider creating a soft redirect from Category:Bones to Category:Skeletal system. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom and to conform with main article. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Rename and create soft redirect. -Sean Curtin (talk) 06:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Animal facts

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. the wub  "?!"  10:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * animal facts


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete: The definition for this category is "A category showing facts about various kinds of animals." Don't all subcategories of Category:Animals do this? Delete because of the vague and undefined purpose of the category.  Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete as vague and redundant. Good catch. --Lquilter (talk) 12:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. I think this category was created to produce a "Did you know?" like classification as it contains items that might not be that familiar to the layperson.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 14:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per Lquilter as vague and redundant. However, the nominator is wrong to suggest that all subcategories of Category:Animals do this. I wish GO was right, but unfortunately there is an inclusionist bias amongst many editors who means that WP:V is very laxly enforced -- even if an article is wholly unreferenced, current guidelines do not explicitly list that as grounds for speedy deletion. So I presume that some of the articles on animals include the usual mix of POV, speculation and nonsense which characterise far too many articles. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
 * Delete while a distinction can be drawn given WP's standard not of accuracy (i.e., "facts") but of verifiability (i.e., "someone said so"), the category isn't being used for that purpose and such purposing certainly not a good idea. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


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