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Category:Bhartendu Academy of Dramatic Arts alumni

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 12:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * bhartendu academy of dramatic arts alumni


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete More an article rather than a category. S M S   Talk 22:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. Article created with text which was removed.  Vegaswikian (talk) 01:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as a single entry category. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep as part of the alumni tree. Rajpal Yadav is another; I expect more can be found. Occuli (talk) 01:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless there are more, this is likely over categorization. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, this is not alumni in any real sense, this academy awards no advanced degrees - this is more like on-the-job training places, like the McDonald's and other cats we eliminated, just a little more high-brow, but essentially the same. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Bhartendu Natya Academy alumni

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 12:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * bhartendu natya academy alumni


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete More an article rather than a category.  S M S   Talk 22:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. Article created with text which was removed.  Vegaswikian (talk) 01:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as a single entry category. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Bhartendu Natya Academy might well be the same institution as Bhartendu Academy of Dramatic Arts above, in which case this category is redundant. Occuli (talk) 01:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, this is not alumni in any real sense, this academy awards no advanced degrees - this is more like on-the-job training places, like the McDonald's and other cats we eliminated, just a little more high-brow, but essentially the same. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Mobile Operators in Iraq

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 12:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Mobile Operators in Iraq to Category:Mobile phone companies of Iraq
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename. Use standard format of Category:Mobile phone companies by country.   Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom-- Lenticel ( talk ) 22:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Christian Restorationists and Christian Zionists

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted on april 7. Kbdank71 17:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * christian restorationists and christian zionists


 * Nominator's rationale: This category is apparently about the Restoration of Israel - but it is confusing because the Restorationism movement is also implied. Brian0324 (talk) 17:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep and rename to Category:Christian Zionists. I don't think deletion is the answer; it's a valid classification for Christians. The main article is at Christian Zionism, and it points out that the term used to be "Christian Restorationism", but due to the popularisation of the term Restorationism to mean Mormonism, Seventh-day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc., the term has become "Christian Zionism". The creator was just probably trying to cover the bases, i.e., to be sure to cover people who were Christian Zionists before that term came into use, but I don't see anything wrong with applying the term retrospectively due to the confusing term "Christian Restorationist". Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to Category:Christian Zionists. per aboveBrian0324 (talk) 14:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to Category:Christian Zionists. I put it up and I'm good with renaming it. The problem, of course, is anachronism.  American Clio (talk) 17:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)American Clio
 * Strong Delete person by opinion category, not even a religion category because it is a sub-tenet of a belief that we're focusing on for categorization, why not take the next steps: Christian Transubstantiationists, Christian Millennialists, Christians who accept the perpetual virginity of Mary, Christians who do not accept infant baptism, and all sorts of other sub-tenets. And also ambiguous: some Christians are "Christian Zionists" as WP labels the term, but does that define them? some Christians are "Zionists" as WP labels that term, and if asked would consider themselves Christian Zionists, does that define them. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


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Mr and Miss Golden Globe

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * miss golden globe winners


 * mr. golden globe winners


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete - overcategorization by non-defining award. Otto4711 (talk) 14:40, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per Otto. Wow, the category descriptions state "The honoree, traditionally the daughter/son of a celebrity, assists in the Association's Golden Globe Awards." That is not much claim to "defining-ness". This looks like the sort of thing that wouldn't even necessarily be mentioned in the person's article, so it definitely shouldn't be a category. In other words, this isn't really even exactly an "award" to the person -- it's more of an honorary title, styled as an award, but it doesn't appear to reflect individual achievement or merit or anything like that. As such, it's not defining. (If kept by some strange twist of CFD, please delete the "Mr. GG" category because it has only one member, and is really just an honorary gender-name-change for an "award" typically given to women. There's no separate article for it.) --Lquilter (talk) 16:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete both as the list of "Miss" does a good job, and there is only one "Mr" in the list. &mdash;ScouterSig 17:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Listify (if necessary) and then delete - This is the usual solution to award categories. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:45, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:American Peers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 12:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Proposed move to American nobility or to be decided by consensus. Peerage applies only to the United Kingdom and France...--Camaeron (t/c) 21:53, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to Renamed Category:Nobility of the Americas or something - nearly all are Canadian, Mexican or Brazilian, and "American" should not be used, as it implies the US only. Category:American nobility exists, as you would know if you had put any links in your nomination. Johnbod (talk) 04:42, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * But this page still needs to be deleted. Besides I didnt want to make such a big move with out consulting everyone here first...--Camaeron (t/c) 10:50, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it needs to be merged, and you need to tag Category:American nobility. Johnbod (talk) 04:40, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Distribute contents - this category is a hotchpotch of different ones, which need to be sorted inot several subcategories of "American nobility". Spanish viceroys were (I think) governors, not hereditary nobles.  The Canadian subcategories could be added to "American nobility".  I have removed one mistaken item, a baronet (not a peer anyway) who served in America.  "American royalty" (including emperors) are not really "nobility", but gathering them as a subcategory would be harmless.  This will largely empty the category.  When empty or nearly so, delete.  Sorry, not an easy answer.  AS a matter of fact, most European countries have or have had a nobility; "peer" probably only applies strictly to British and Irish peerages.  Peterkingiron (talk) 00:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kbdank71 13:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Recomment. I broadly agree with Peterkingiron; some stuff here is not needed at all - the viceroys were governors, always already with Spanish titles. But btw, the French had Peerage of France "pairs" from whom the English copied the name, and the Spanish, Portuguese and Brazilian Grandees are also normally considered the same thing. Category:American nobility should be renamed, but that is for another nomination. If a basic merge to American nobility is done, and I am reminded, I would be ready to prune and redistribute. Johnbod (talk) 13:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - I stand by the view expressed above. I also agree with the rename of Category:American nobility to Category:Nobility of the Americas.  There is a lot that needs sorting out.  We also need Category:Monachies of the Americas or Category:American royalty or both (one for states and the other for people).  On the other hand there is a "Former Monarchies of the Americas" (I think it was), which is in fact full of former British colonies, which have been amalgamated into Canada or renamed on independence.  The Viceroys (though not hereditary) might be collected as ONE category of "nobility".  The whole tree is an utter mess, but I am afraid that I do not intend to tidy it up.  It requires a bold admin, who is prepared to devise a viable tree and implement it.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Underworld Race

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Suggest merging Category:Underworld Race to Category:Underworld (films)
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge: the badly named category should be deleted and the single article within it moved to its parent category. It looks like this category isn't going to be useful. Wipe (talk) 11:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 22:08, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Sport in Guam

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Sports in Guam. non-admin closure   CWii ( Talk  18:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Suggest merging Category:Sport in Guam to Category:Sports in Guam
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge duplicate categories, Target category is older, and "sports" should probably be used anyway since Guam is a territory of the United States.  Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Reverse Merge since most of these cats seem to be in "sport in X"-- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Except for the other American territory categories, which are Category:Sports in the United States Virgin Islands, Category:Sports in the United States, Category:Sports in Puerto Rico, Category:Sports in American Samoa, and the 51 subcategories of Category:Sports in the United States by state. This seems like ample precedence to divert from "the standard". Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * CommentI was just thinking, if there is another naming convention for US territories, wouldn't that create confusion and a repeat of this Cfd sometime in the future?- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Support nom Mayumashu (talk) 20:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Support nom per US usage. Occuli (talk) 10:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Support nom US territory, US usage. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. If there is a different usage in the territories, that case has not been made here. If anything the exact opposite has been shown. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


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Category:Die Hard films

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Kbdank71 12:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * die hard films


 * Nominator's rationale: The category is essentially the four movies and one picture. It is more thoroughly and appropriately connected by Template:Die Hard. &mdash;ScouterSig 02:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - the article Die Hard films serves as an appropriate navigational hub and the template links everything as well. Otto4711 (talk) 12:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Die-lete per nom & Otto. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. This seems a fine way to categorize films. What's more defining for Die Hard than this?--Mike Selinker (talk) 11:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


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